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Originally posted by Red Rum
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LOL! wing chunners are funny!
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If you consider the McDojo aspects of wingchun, I agree.Originally posted by jubaji View PostLOL! wing chunners are funny!
I still believe its the artist and the art, rather than the art alone that makes a good fighter. Here's some old footage of Bruce Lee demonstrating the 1" punch against Hayward Nishioka, whom was a judo black belt and highly ranked competitor in Japan and in the U.S.
In slow-mo and color
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That's a push.
Try it yourself. Stand your assistant square on with his legs next to each other, and put something like a chair behind them for them to trip over.
Don't ring for any ambulances though! That one inch punch doesn't hurt a bit.Comment
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You guys are right with regards to the 'one inch punch'. I have seen a few martial artists demonstrate the punch this way and it is technically a push.
I saw one demo where they used a telephone book to cover the chest and the guy was leaning back, ready to be pushed backwards. It was a blatant set up designed to fool the audience
To be fair, in most cases when it is performed it is a lot harder than just a push (it does wind you), but we do not practice it like that. The idea of a wing chun punch is to hit from a close quarter (clinch) position. You don't measure off to someone and strike them. That is just a demo.
In reality, the idea is that you can hit with the same power at any range, whether it be three inches, one inch or even less.
At the end of the day, I wouldn't claim that a wing chun punch is better if it wasn't. Although I'm a kung fu instructor, I enjoy boxing just as much.
In sparring (especially if there is lots of room to move), a wing chun fighter would have no chance against a boxer or kickboxer.
Not sure what you guys mean by McDojo. Do you mean schools that pop up everywhere? I say as long as the instructors are good then why not?
Kamon has 45 classes and the instructors are top notch. Even the students at Green one level tend to know more about martial arts than most black belts in other arts. I think the same can be said about Alan Orr and James Sinclair's federations
As for medic06 - what wing chun have you done and for how long?Comment
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Hmmmm
Well I've dabbled in escrima on and off for the past few years but I wouldn't criticize a person posting comments about escrima on here....Comment
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LOL, Bruce Lee did that punch without a chair. I never seen anyone fall backwards like that with a one inch push even if you do think it is just a push.Originally posted by Thai Bri View PostComment
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The thing to remember is that a demonstration is only ever done to give people an idea of what is possible. If a demonstration of a "1 inch punch" showed a person hardly moving, then walking off slowly because they had been badly winded, people would not be as impressed as seeing someone being propelled backwards. When I started mantis after doing tai chi, I had a few problems, because I was often in push mode rather than strike mode. Pushes do not hurt much, but move people. In fact this reminds me of a kick boxing class years ago, where the instructor demonstrated the difference between full contact sparring and medium contact. With medium contact, strikes were more like pushes, so that judges could easily see when a strike landed well. In full contact, you are only interested in hurting your oponent, so your strikes go through them, rather than push them.
I think the main thing to remember is that a demonstration is almost always done to "sell" something, so it has to look impressive. I am sure if someone did a one inch punch to your solar plexus with the intention of hurting/winding, and not pushing, you would feel it.Comment
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medic06... what clarification would you like?
If you want my website it can be found at www.kamonwingchun.com
Just have a look around at it and make your own judgement about our style. You may even pop down and watch one of our classes if you want.
It is not for me to say that Kamon is the best WC school in the country, but I have certainly found their way of training at an excellent standard compared to most other WC schools I have attended
I have done several (not entirely legitimate) tournaments. Won some, lost some.
I won (attained Gold) the self defence competition at the Reigate Martial Arts Festival in 2004.
I currently train in CKD in Surrey, I box/train under an ex pro boxer (email me privately for his name etc), and train privately with a couple of good boxers
I do intense MT with a student of mine who was once UK champion and train at a MT class on Mondays
I train BJJ at Roger Gracie Academy (on and off)
I train on and off with escrima
I used to do Kyokushinkai Karate when I was younger and trained for seven years
I have also dabbled in Ninjitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Capoira, and various kung fu styles
As for wing chun, I have trained for around 15 years at it. I joined Kamon 7 years ago, trained 5 times a week non stop and became instructor around 2/3 years ago
There are better martial artists out there for sure, but there are also a lot worse (especially some who are on this forum)
At least I don't have any qualms about posting who I am and what I do.Comment
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Nice web site
Your monthly dues are reasonable and your annual memeber ships fee is not that high even though I don't like the idea of paying an annual membership fee it should be a one time thing if at all. Are there fees for testing in your school and how much? Also you have to pay for a uniform but the uniform just looks like a t-shirt and kung fu pants if so why so much for the kung fu pants and t-shirt? Your classes look interasting.Comment
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Impressive resume', but you still haven't explained why a WC punch is more powerful then a boxing hook.Originally posted by Red Rum View PostComment
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Because it is not. How can you say a Wing Chun punch is more powerful? What punch? Who is throwing the punch? Statements like that makes no sense.Originally posted by medic06 View PostComment
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Woah woah woah.....Originally posted by Mephariel View Post
Hold the phone guys. What I meant was that in that show, they were looking for the super punch (ie the one that hit the hardest in one go).
As I mentioned, the wing chun punch would be a better hit, not for power but the reasons I stated. Firstly, it attacks the centre line so the damage area will be more confined. Secondly, it is very easy to launch a wing chun punch (ie you could do 40 punches and not feel very tired) - a hook involves a lot more effort. Thirdly, you can perform the wing chun punch from a very short range (from a clinch), whereas it is difficult with a hook (especially if you're in a good clinch). Lastly, you are driving your body through a straight line. Whilst it won't give you the blunt force trauma that a boxers punch would, it goes deep into the body and the organs (imagine a spear that you can't stop digging into you)
A big flaw in wing chun is the footwork. A lot of chunners are too rigid and it can be too slow, especially if you are trying to keep up with a boxer, MT guy, capoira guy, etc
In Kamon, we attempt to move with flexibility, waiting for the time to hit before we use arrow walk, huen bo footwork etc.
A hook is a good punch and there is no disputing that. I have been knocked out/caught out many times with tight hooks. But I have been caught out a lot more from a wing chun punch.
Medic06 - thanks for the compliment, but it is not that much of an impressive resume compared to a lot of people. I am always willing to listen to counter arguments against any of my posts, but I tend to get one liners from ThaiBri, yourself and several others, which doesn't really progress the discussion
If you guys have a point (that isn't just designed to bash wing chun!) then share it because discussion is good.Comment
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