Wing Chun used in Street Fight

[jubaji]

The WCers have brought their reputation on themselves. No sympathy here. If enough WCers stop saying stupid things like "everything is in WC if you just looooook deeeeeeply enough" or "I'm anti-grappling!" or "my master could beat any grappler by just doing his standup WC on the ground. After all, its all the same thing!" and other nonsense then their reputation will gradually improve.

[fire cobra]

The second fight was as bad as the first imho

[Guest]

Mike, I think I am being pulled into a different argument here.

Just to be clear: Nothing wrong with Wing Chun, no problem with the guys in the vids, I just didn't see any Wing Chun. That is my only point.

[Guest]

People have it in for Wing Chun because it is incredibly successful, commercially. That will always draw attack, in any walk of life.

Secondly, it isn't sport specific, it has no consistent arena or proving ground. Boxing, Thai, Wrestling, MMA guys can post a million vids showing what their art does. You say that doesn't represent an intellectually honest footing, I say unfortunately its a fact of life.

The question is, does that make Wing Chun ineffective or a waste of time? I'm not saying it does, many people on here argue the case, and leave an open challenge to be proved wrong.

Whether we like it or not, we live in a world where everything is accessible, and anything that is distant from view or immediate scrutiny, is guilty until proven innocent. I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying it is.

[Liberty]

Were punches to the head not allowed?

If you have it, Lib, can you post some background as to who these folks were and what the level of competition was? I mean, it's apparently an inter-school thing, so I'm not expecting to see pro-level fights, but there are some aspects that are pretty different from what we generally see as MMA. It'd be nice to know what we're looking at.

On the youtube site itself, the first clip had the following attached to it:

“Notice how he withstands the takedown twice and how he keeps his opponent on the run constantly. This is Aaron Baum a Chu Sau Lei Wing Chun man dominating his opponent in a NHB championship in England. In CSL Wing Chun we actually have a MMA/NHB fight team called the Iron Wolves and UNLIKE other traditionalists we actually have PROOF that our system works and it works brilliantly. Anybody can talk about how good their system is but unless you have PROOF that it works "under fire", in real fighting against a skilled opponent who's trying his hardest to beat you, all you have is a bunch of talk, and talk is cheap.”

While the 2nd clip, “Wing Chun Fighting,” read: http://www.londonwingchun.com “The video is of Alan Orr at the 2005 Combat Sports Open National NHB championship: Finals – Hereford Nov., 2005

Ran accross this:
Wingjitsu (MMA Academy founded by Mickey Papas [Northern London]): [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Eman3mgq0[/YOUTUBE]

[Guest]

Good stuff Liberty. Those guys look like athletes, some good Boxing, Thai and Submission Grappling.

I didn't see one single second of Wing Chun.

Before you post any more would you mind if I asked you a polite question? Do you know what Wing Chun looks like?

[Liberty]

Good stuff Liberty. Those guys look like athletes, some good Boxing, Thai and Submission Grappling.

I didn't see one single second of Wing Chun.

Before you post any more would you mind if I asked you a polite question? Do you know what Wing Chun looks like?

I'll do you one better then that - just over halfway down the page on this link you'll see some images of what Wing Chun not only looks like but what it can look like with a nice MMA mix:

http://www.sifuchowwingchun.com/whatiswc2.html

By the way, I completely agree with you regarding the clips I posted. Just thought I'd let them speak for themselves (Wing Chun fighting that is not Wing Chun).

[Guest]

Thats cool then sir, and your posts have certainly generated some healthy debate, which is always good.

[Liberty]

An actual competition - guy in white is Wing Chun. It's kind of old, but they went at it. By the way, there are competitions within the Wing Chun world itself.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGVYSqcfUv8[/YOUTUBE]

[Liberty]

Wing Chun guy (9 years) proficiently closing the gap against an agressive (freestyle)opponent:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob1EUZA24S8[/YOUTUBE]

[Guest]

ha ha ha, they are both awesome!

The first vid, the last time I saw two guys fight that badly was in the Bridget Jones movie!

The second vid reminds me of the Cheung vs Boztepe fight, where two guys who have spent their lives "trapping" run at eachother and roll around on the floor like a couple of school kids. Where is the Wing Chun in this video? I'm not sure running at someone and putting them in a headlock is on the curriculum.

Keep these coming Lib, you are entertaining me.

[Guest]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcaqH8fb--c[/YOUTUBE]

[Red Rum]

ha ha ha, they are both awesome!

The first vid, the last time I saw two guys fight that badly was in the Bridget Jones movie!

The second vid reminds me of the Cheung vs Boztepe fight, where two guys who have spent their lives "trapping" run at eachother and roll around on the floor like a couple of school kids. Where is the Wing Chun in this video? I'm not sure running at someone and putting them in a headlock is on the curriculum.

Keep these coming Lib, you are entertaining me.

Have you included that clip of the wing chun 'slapper'. I can't access any of these vids, but there is one on youtube of this guy in a boxing ring up against a karate guy. The wing chun guy runs round the ring slapping this guy into submission
Pathetic
Unfortunately I still haven't seen any good wing chun vids out there but there are a couple of Alan Orr tutorial clips which are good and Wan Lam Kuen

[Guest]

Have you included that clip of the wing chun 'slapper'. I can't access any of these vids, but there is one on youtube of this guy in a boxing ring up against a karate guy. The wing chun guy runs round the ring slapping this guy into submission
Pathetic

You mean this one?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ3-Hi-kMNo[/YOUTUBE]

Oh deary, deary me.

[Liberty]

ha ha ha, they are both awesome!

The first vid, the last time I saw two guys fight that badly was in the Bridget Jones movie!

The second vid reminds me of the Cheung vs Boztepe fight, where two guys who have spent their lives "trapping" run at eachother and roll around on the floor like a couple of school kids. Where is the Wing Chun in this video? I'm not sure running at someone and putting them in a headlock is on the curriculum.

Keep these coming Lib, you are entertaining me.

Yeah, unfortunately, though I personally have nothig against the art, there does not appear to be any footage of good Wing Chun in application out there. When "proficient," it's poor at best. Then again, can't say they don't ask for it - have you seen the one of Cheung aganst a boxer. The thing is pathetic.

To set Brewer off (via a quote) "In memory of a once fluid art, crammed and distorted by the classcal mess." May Wing Chun some day find it's way back.