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Originally posted by fireundubh View Post
(So much for martial arts teaching discipline...)
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Originally posted by TTEscrima View PostThats pure Hollywood, the majority of capable fighters/teachers I've met were anything but Mr Miyagi. Many good Martial artist have a good sense of humor but in my experience "nice" people really don't enjoy the study of extreme violence.
Mike Tyson, wait that's the opposite list - LOL!
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Originally posted by Liberty View Postad infinitum.Last edited by TTEscrima; 01-07-2009, 01:43 PM. Reason: Brain fart, called Bob Spour, Mick Coup...some days I amaze myself
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Originally posted by TTEscrima View PostThats pure Hollywood, the majority of capable fighters/teachers I've met were anything but Mr Miyagi. Many good Martial artist have a good sense of humor but in my experience "nice" people really don't enjoy the study of extreme violence.
My mother, when she lived in the Phillipines over 40 years ago, achieved 3rd dan as a jūdōka. If there's one thing I remember from everything my mom taught me, it's that martial arts is all about discipline, the discipline necessary to survive and to endure through conflict and trying situations.
If you don't have that discipline, that sort of Spartan reserve, and you're eager to attack whomever wherever for whatever reason because you think yourself a "fighter" or a student of "extreme violence," you're not a martial artist. You're just a thug.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of pathetic people who train in martial arts to fight or threaten harm. These people missed the boat. They should be training to be prepared physically and mentally for conflict, and not to promote and perpetuate conflict to satiate their senseless thirst for, and masochistic predisposition to, violence.
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Originally posted by fireundubh View PostWhen I studied tae kwon do as a kindergartener, I'd fight with classmates to practice our arts, as well as bully other kids off the swingsets, or so I'm told. This resulted in many visits to the principal's office, and I was eventually pulled by my parents from the tae kwon do program.
My mother, when she lived in the Phillipines over 40 years ago, achieved 3rd dan as a jūdōka. If there's one thing I remember from everything my mom taught me, it's that martial arts is all about discipline, the discipline necessary to survive and to endure through conflict and trying situations.
If you don't have that discipline, that sort of Spartan reserve, and you're eager to attack whomever wherever for whatever reason because you think yourself a "fighter" or a student of "extreme violence," you're not a martial artist. You're just a thug.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of pathetic people who train in martial arts to fight or threaten harm. These people missed the boat. They should be training to be prepared physically and mentally for conflict, and not to promote and perpetuate conflict to satiate their senseless thirst for, and masochistic predisposition to, violence.
Martial arts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Discipline is what an adult should have done when you were picking on the other kids: IE you needed your little ass whupped. The Martial arts are not about teaching manners and etiquette to people's kids who were incapable of doing so themselves, regardless of the sales pitch the BB factories spout to parents.
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Originally posted by fireundubh View PostYou know you're in trouble when start quoting Wikipedia.
Martial ART:any of various fighting sports or skills, mainly of East Asian origin, such as kung fu, judo, karate, and kendō.
Martial arts can be divided into the armed and unarmed arts. The former include archery, spearmanship, and swordsmanship; the latter, which originated in China, emphasize striking with the feet and hands or grappling. In Japan, traditionally a warrior’s training emphasized archery, swordsmanship, unarmed combat, and swimming in armour. Members of other classes interested in combat concentrated on arts using the staff, everyday work implements (such as thrashing flails, sickles, and knives), and unarmed combat. Perhaps the most versatile practice was ninjutsu, which was developed for military spies in feudal Japan and also included training in disguise, escape, concealment, geography, meteorology, medicine, and explosives. In modern times, derivatives of some of the armed martial arts, such as kendō (fencing) and kyūdō (archery), are practiced as sports. Derivatives of the unarmed forms of combat, such as judo, sumo, karate, and tae kwon do, are practiced, as are self-defense forms, such as aikido, hapkido, and kung fu. Simplified forms of T’ai Chi ch’uan, a Chinese form of unarmed combat, are popular as healthful exercise, quite divorced from martial origins.
And one from Websters dictionary
Main Entry:
martial art
Function:
noun
Date:
1928
: any of several arts of combat and self defense (as karate and judo) that are widely practiced as sport
Originally posted by fireundubh View PostThat's not discipline. That's bad parenting, and possibly child abuse.
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Originally posted by TTEscrima View PostThe Gracies aren't what I'd call nice people, neither is Paul Vunak.
I've been Paul's student for over ten years, he has been an amazing friend and support to me, in my experience he is one of the nicest guys you could hope to meet.
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Originally posted by Michael Wright View PostCould I ask what you are basing that on? Have you met Paul, is he a friend or instructor of yours? I hope so, before you go bounding round opinions like that.
I've been Paul's student for over ten years, he has been an amazing friend and support to me, in my experience he is one of the nicest guys you could hope to meet.
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Originally posted by TTEscrima View PostI met Paul through my current instructor when we were stationed together at Damn Neck. I'm not slamming Paul, but no fucking way he's a nice guy. Perhaps he's mellowed with age but the Paul I was acquainted with 20 some odd years ago was anything but a nice guy. Maybe you wouldn't mind him dating your daughter but I'd have a problem with it. Not being a nice guy wasn't meant as an insult. If you know Paul then you're aware of his history and saying he isn't a nice guy is a mild assessment. It's admirable you're running to your friends defense, but even Paul would laugh if you tried to tell him he's a nice guy.
Paul has changed, immeasurably. Especially over the last five years I have noticed a real change in him, a lot of what Paul was notorious for (and I know exactly what you are referring to) has been left behind.
The way he now trains and lives, the people he chooses to teach and associate with, and the way he relates to those around him. In my opinion and experience he is a great guy, and he is definitely not the guy he was 20 years ago. I'm sure very few people are, I know I'm certainly not.
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