Myths about Pressure Points

[mellow]

I'm a little surprised that Stomache 9 was left out the group

[kingoftheforest]

I'm a little surprised that Stomache 9 was left out the group

I don't feel it's responsible to discuss this on a forum with the maturity level shown here.

Too many people will want to use it as a toy to try on their friends from ny experience.


It has severe ramifications medically if misused.

[kingoftheforest]

Some are for control.

I've broken headlocks with infraorbital and put someone down with it, when I was younger,

I've seen knockouts from strikes to the bracchial plexius. (it's the easiest place I know of to cause a knockout)

Median is good for weapon disarms (if you have a weapon to hit the median with) Superscapular also is good for getting people to drop a weapon.

I once saw a guy get kicked in the superficial peroneal and flop around on the ground screaming like a girl (I don't think this would be a common reaction though)

So they aren't all for control, some of them make good setups. But they aren't magic, most of them work on pain compliance, or muscle impairment.

from PPCT research something like 80% of people will respond to most of the ones I posts. I have one found 1 person who did not respond to any of them. I got flat affect from all of them at moderate power (I was teaching a class at a College) I have my suspicions from my dealings with the individual that they were either medicated or had mental problems or both.

Well you use what you feel works best for you. I won't try and dissuade what you have found to be effective in your training.

I will say that when we train we strike multiple points in rapid succession and don't rely on any one point. Also the points are secondary and are used in conjunction with skeletal function to put ourselves and the target in the best possible position we can for the next strike.

Mind you the opponent has some say so in whats going on so you aim for best position and even if you don't get that you still get something effective.

[kingoftheforest]

I've said it for years, and I'll say it again:

Anything is a pressure point if you hit it hard enough.

I've hit somethings pretty hard that the ladies wouldn't call pressure points. But they loved it.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I've hit somethings pretty hard that the ladies wouldn't call pressure points. But they loved it.

Donkey Punch for the win! lol

[kingoftheforest]

Misconceptions.

One of the greatest myths about pressure points is that hitting hard any where will work.

I will use Muy Thai to prove this wrong.

The main reason this misconception doesn't work is because pressure points nearly always coincide with nerves or nerve bundles. It has been proven scientifically that our nerves and synapses send signal using bio electrical energy.

Hitting a pressure points disturbs this flow of energy at the point and the area around this point.

The direction that the point is hit from is an important factor.

Take the Ulnar nerve or the cause of pain when you hit your "funny bone". This is in your elbow. If striking the elbow hard were enough to cause a disruption then every time a Thai fighter threw an elbow strike and contacted with his opponent the force would hurt him as well.

Also the nerve that runs along the your outer leg. We have all I'm sure experienced "dead leg" from being kicked here. If all it took was force then one kick to the leg and you're down.

If all it took was force of any kind than the first person to get hit in the head or chest hard would loose due to K.O.. While this does happen from time to time it's because someone hit the right nerve center like the one just between the temple and the eye. Or just under the chin with the proper force and direction.

On the average most ring fighters throw countless blows before someone goes down.

[ltindiandaeng]

Working in the prison we used to use pressure points on passively resisting people to get them to move and they usually worked very well but I would not generally use them in a fight.The points are hard to find and adrenaline sometimes makes them useless.

[kingoftheforest]

Check it out.

Working in the prison we used to use pressure points on passively resisting people to get them to move and they usually worked very well but I would not generally use them in a fight.The points are hard to find and adrenaline sometimes makes them useless.

Check out the first post in the thread. I listed the most common and easiest ones to get at and use.Also I advocate not relying on the pressure point alone.

Also what you are referring to sounds more like pain compliance. I have expressed and will so again my dislike on the use of pain compliance. A persons tolerance can severely effect the outcome of such tactics.

[mellow]

I don't feel it's responsible to discuss this on a forum with the maturity level shown here.

Too many people will want to use it as a toy to try on their friends from ny experience.


It has severe ramifications medically if misused.

Agreed, it is the one I've seen most overused.

[ltindiandaeng]

Pain compliance techniques are like chemical agents.They will work on most people,but not everyone.Most techniques are not 100 per cent effective.I have seen people get a baton broken over their head and keep fighting.Same with people getting kicked square in the groin with no apparent effect.It does not mean these techniques are not effective,just that every situation and every individual is different.

[kingoftheforest]

Pain compliance techniques are like chemical agents.They will work on most people,but not everyone.Most techniques are not 100 per cent effective.I have seen people get a baton broken over their head and keep fighting.Same with people getting kicked square in the groin with no apparent effect.It does not mean these techniques are not effective,just that every situation and every individual is different.

I won't argue with that. There is definitely no perfect technique. And I agree that every technique will manifest different on different people.

Body position and the build of the "uke" can change the outcome.

[Tant01]

Excessive force...

One of the greatest myths about pressure points is that hitting hard any where will work.

..............

I think force is relative. You're not going to punch a hole between someone's eyes with finger pressure! But a .30-06 will certainly do the job depending on your choice of ammo....

Even with excessive force you don't want to miss the vitals...

[kingoftheforest]

Concepts.

I think force is relative. You're not going to punch a hole between someone's eyes with finger pressure! But a .30-06 will certainly do the job depending on your choice of ammo....

Even with excessive force you don't want to miss the vitals...

True enough. There are shooting points that are known as "No reflex kills" which would in fact be aiming at certain neurological bundles in the body.

I guess you could refer to it something akin to pressure point shooting. Although the shock of just being shot can kill some people.

But I'm more speaking on it in terms of CMA's I guess the Chinese figured it you were going to cut or shoot you'd definitely be effecting the nerve at some point.

We train not only to rely on the pressure point but also to disrupt skeletal and muscular function as well.

Say for instance someone throws a straight right. If you step inside, chop the wrist, or along the forearm area it doesn't have to be exact, with your left hand. At the same time raise you right hand in an upward elbow. Like the Fonz slicking his hair. At the same time raise your right knee straight up.

Mellow this ones for you.

Know strike a knife hand old Judo chop style into the neck at the same time rake your instep down the persons shin.

This not only comes from Military Combative but is also one variation of the opening of Small San Shou which is a Tai Chi form.

These movements attack Heart 5 and Lung 8 and Heart3 on the arm which send multiple shocks into the ulnar nerve as well as impede the arms line of attack.

The strike to the neck attacks Stomach 9 as well as shocks the vegas nerve and the spinal column forcing the head away.

The shin scrap with a heel stomp to the foot attack a whole plethora of points on the leg and top of foot. As well as impedes forward movement.

All this would encompass just the first 2 movements of the Tai Chi form.

And this is just a concept to build onto.

[Tant01]

Shock inducing? Knee destruction?

True enough. There are shooting points that are known as "No reflex kills" which would in fact be aiming at certain neurological bundles in the body.
I guess you could refer to it something akin to pressure point shooting. Although the shock of just being shot can kill some people.

But I'm more speaking on it in terms of CMA's I guess the Chinese figured it you were going to cut or shoot you'd definitely be effecting the nerve at some point.

We train not only to rely on the pressure point but also to disrupt skeletal and muscular function as well.

Say for instance someone throws a straight right. If you step inside, chop the wrist, or along the forearm area it doesn't have to be exact, with your left hand. At the same time raise you right hand in an upward elbow. Like the Fonz slicking his hair. At the same time raise your right knee straight up.

...
Know strike a knife hand old Judo chop style into the neck at the same time rake your instep down the persons shin.
This not only comes from Military Combative but is also one variation of the opening of Small San Shou which is a Tai Chi form.

These movements attack Heart 5 and Lung 8 and Heart3 on the arm which send multiple shocks into the ulnar nerve as well as impede the arms line of attack.

The strike to the neck attacks Stomach 9 as well as shocks the vegas nerve and the spinal column forcing the head away.

The shin scrap with a heel stomp to the foot attack a whole plethora of points on the leg and top of foot. As well as impedes forward movement.

All this would encompass just the first 2 movements of the Tai Chi form.

And this is just a concept to build onto.

Actually... The only "no reflex" targets are in the head and neck but yeah...

The judo chop and stomp is totally new... Never heard of such a thing!



My friend wants to slaughter a few goats and recently inquired about "borrowing" my little .22

The most "humane" method of dispatching a creature is a contact shot that shuts off the brainstem...

Considering a few inches of penetration gives you an idea of where to point the projectile...

High powered rifles are a beast... Trust me when I say you don't want .30 cal rounds landing in your immediate vicinity...

But what do I know about anything? Pressure points?

Sorry for dragging us off topic...

[kingoftheforest]

Actually... The only "no reflex" targets are in the head and neck but yeah...

The judo chop and stomp is totally new... Never heard of such a thing!



My friend wants to slaughter a few goats and recently inquired about "borrowing" my little .22

The most "humane" method of dispatching a creature is a contact shot that shuts off the brainstem...

Considering a few inches of penetration gives you an idea of where to point the projectile...

High powered rifles are a beast... Trust me when I say you don't want .30 cal rounds landing in your immediate vicinity...

But what do I know about anything? Pressure points?

Sorry for dragging us off topic...

There's also a no reflex kill between the navel and the crotch.

And it doesn't seem off topic. You related it to the subject at hand quite well I thought.

The judo chop and stomp done 100% pure form Applegate style combatives would just be a heel stomp to the top of the foot.

The shin scrap just goes real well in conjunction with the elbow clipping the inner arm. It feel real natural if you give it a few goes.