Kung Fu and Grappling?

[Tom Yum]

Laohu quan shifu ni jiao shenme mingzi, Shi nar de ren, nar xue de

[jubaji]

LOL, I doubt he'll be able to answer any of your questions.

[Tom Yum]

mei shir le wo qu kan pengyou zai jian zhubajie

[jubaji]

Catch ya later!

[TigerClaw]

I was never run off or humiliated, what are you talking about? And why do you lie?

[TigerClaw]

To all,

Here is something I read just today in the Black Belt Magazine newest addition, consider this, (I have been saying the same for a long time now)

"If your on the ground, you need to immediately strike hard. The head is the main target. Take out the eyes, the breathing apparatus, the throat, the nerve groups" (pg 89 Black Belt magazine Januray 2009 edition, by a master named, John Pelegrini, who was introduced into the Black belt hall of fame in 2004 as instructor of the year. His fighting system is one of the systems that the US military is interested in)

He also said,

"...I am appauled that some units learn Brazillian jujitsu and are encouraged to fight on the ground...But the idea is to immediately dislodge the person and recover the dominant standing position. It's not about grappling and rolling on the ground." (pg 91 Black Belt Magazine)

Another man in the same magazine unde a different article said,

"MMA competition is first and foremost a dueling environment. Self defese is an entirely different animal, and the legal system requires requires you distinguish between the two. "

Wim Demeere is a reality based self defense instructor.

And one more expert says,

"Techniques that would be considered dirty fighting in most martial arts_attacks on the eyes and airways-are staples of reality based self defense." (Henry Kou page, 118, Black belt magazine, he is a level four instructor in Commando Krav maga)

So from these experts in reality combat survival fighting we can see that they agree with me. So those who simply mock what I say are also fighting against the experts and those who train the military etc. Those who say I speak BS are atually totally wrong and embarrassing themselves in hereand exposing their lack of understanding and fighting against these experts and more. But they are also putting others in danger by not instructing them for real combat survival in the streets.

[Tom Yum]

To all,

here is something I read just today in the Black Belt Magazine newest addition,
consider this, (I have been saying the same for a long time now)

"If your on the ground, you need to immediately strike hard. The hea is the main target. take out the eyes, the breathing apparatus, the throat, the nerve groups" (pg 89 Black Belt magazine Januray 2009 edition, by a master named, John Pelegrini, who was introduced into the Black belt hall of fame in 2004 as instructor of the year. His fighting system is one of the systems that the US military is interested in)

He also said,

"...I am appauled that some units learn Brazillian jujitsu and are encouraged to fight on the ground...But the idea is to immediately dislodge the person and recover the dominant standing position. It's not about grappling and rolling on the ground." (pg 91 Black Belt Magazine)

Another man in the same magazine unde a different article said,

"MMA competition is first and foremost a dueling environment. Self defese is an entirely different animal, and the legal system requires requires you distinguish between the two. "

Wim Demeere is a reality based self defense instructor.

And one more expert says,

"Techniques that would be considered dirty fighting in most martial arts_attacks on the eyes and airways-are staples of reality based self defense." (Henry Kou page, 118, Black belt magazine, he is a level four instructor in Commando Krav maga)

So from these experts in reality combat survival fighting we can see that they agree with me. So those who simply mock what I say are also fighting against the experts and those who train the military etc. Those who say I speak BS are atually totally wrong and embarrassing themselves in hereand exposing their lack of understanding and fighting against these experts and more. But they are also putting others in danger by not instructing them for real combat survival in the streets.

I actually mentioned the article in a previous post but cool.

[Tom Yum]

I was never run off or humiliated, what are you talking about? And why do you lie?

Ta bu shir pian ren. Anzhao wushu Ta de nengli daduo shir xifang shuaijiao, zhongguo shuaijiao. Ni yingai cha black belt zazhi, keneng jian ta de zhaopian...

[FLMKane]

you were not speaking Bullshit. You are just making it sound like bullshit. Which is worse because that shows you dont know anything.

[TigerClaw]

FLMKane,

So we agree, that I was speaking truth and all those who attack me here are embarrassing themselves for mocking? They are the ones who really don't know waht they are talking about. Can we agree on this, (by the way you are included in that group).

I also did not make it sound wrong at all, I said almost the same things. You just won't accept it from a martial arts teacher who has started martial arts over 20 years ago as I have. But if some masters in a magazine says it and the military is interested in some of thier teaching, you might listen. LOL

Here is what I said,

"I want to end the fight as fast as posiible and not wrestle on the ground especially if there is more than one attacker. This usually involve clawing attacks and soft tissue attacks etc. "

"I have learned that when ground fighting the soft tissue is very vulnerable in alot of cases. By this I mean the eyes groins throat pressure points etc."

"I have watched many a MMA fight and I have seen how many times the opponents groin, throat, eyes and other vital areas are exposed. In a real fight, these would be the first to be attacked, and the entire fight would change direction."

Here is what they said,

"It's not about grappling and rolling on the ground."

"Techniques that would be considered dirty fighting in most martial arts_attacks on the eyes and airways-are staples of reality based self defense."

"If your on the ground, you need to immediately strike hard. The hea is the main target. take out the eyes, the breathing apparatus, the throat, the nerve groups"

As you can see, your false attack means absolutely nothing.
I say things that I have been sayiong for a while even before I read those articles in Black Belt magazine. I speak of the things I know about. By the way, what style do you know? How long hae you been in martial arts? and are you a teacher? Lets find out what you really know.

Keep speaking on that all may know your lack of understanding in these things. And tell us what style you learned and more about yourself. Why not even post pictures of your techniques etc.

[FLMKane]

Your on track but the only reason the MMA guys leave those places open is because there is no danger of that happening. I myself have do it in MMA spars.

as for "If your on the ground, you need to immediately strike hard. The head is the main target. take out the eyes, the breathing apparatus, the throat, the nerve groups". Not always a good idea. You may get made into a monkey. But what your talking about is tried and true Ground and pound. An example of both.

YouTube - Fedor Emelianenko vs Hong Man Choi

if the other guy is any good he will also strike and move into a submission move ASAP.

[TigerClaw]

Ok,

but I think when you say,
'not always a good idea". I think we can agree that any technique might not always be a good idea considering the situation. There are always variables.

later

[Tom Yum]

Your on track but the only reason the MMA guys leave those places open is because there is no danger of that happening. I myself have do it in MMA spars.

as for "If your on the ground, you need to immediately strike hard. The head is the main target. take out the eyes, the breathing apparatus, the throat, the nerve groups". Not always a good idea. You may get made into a monkey. But what your talking about is tried and true Ground and pound. An example of both.

YouTube - Fedor Emelianenko vs Hong Man Choi

if the other guy is any good he will also strike and move into a submission move ASAP.

Good point, if you add those nasty strikes into your training, they would build your ground arsenal - but having been eye struck or throat struck will create openings for reversals/escapes. MMA fighters who have been accidentally eye gouged are out of commission for a good minute or two, think BJ Penn vs. Hughes.

[sunwukung]

Hi again KFM,
so now you've posted the same question elsewhere, can you see there is a broad consensus of opinion regarding this issue?

[Ben Grimm]

The chump will never learn.