Kong-Fu Vs. MMA? LOL

[TTEscrima]

The Tae Kwon Do man did just that and began jumping around as they do. My instructor took a poised Praying mantis stance and guard, very flowery and fancy. He overcame the tae Kwon Do man everytime, very easily and he did it with some fancy movements.

No legitimate CMA practitioner believes this type of crap or spouts it, you're clearly an MMA fan who just wants to deride the CMA's.

One of the reason I bring this up is to point out that Kung Fu does have fancy flowery type moves in it, or so they would seem to the fighters who learn basic kick boxing type moves. Buy there is a reason that my instructor looked like a giant insect and the moves he did were intended to capture and lock and overcome the opponent as if he was fighting a large Praying Mantis.it was very facinating to watch and he fought with graceful techniques and speed..

Graceful, fancy, flowery, are all terms that have NOTHING to do with describing any martial art application, except by people who get their info from Kung Fu flicks, unless of course you're the creation of a regular here who needs a new gimmick because his old act is moldy. So which is it? Are you 10 years old and deluded? Or are you trolling? Your posts have proven you've never seen real CMA's much less trained in them. Actually don't bother answering, even a 10 year old movie fan would have expressed more knowledge than your post have displayed.

[Ghost]

uke something had to be said, its quite clear some of you have the same instructor as you say the same fallacies at times. like "if boxing works, why do the fights last 12 rounds" which is worrying.

your instructor looks good. no sparring imo is worse than sparring it. but i know why sparring is avoided. its because youd start refining it an losing some technique that you individually dont feel works and boar probably wants to keep it to 100% for now.

i still think you would struggle hugely against someone that spars regularly. technique and live drills can only take you so far.

anyway, given that, i have no idea what you see in that video. and think you guys really need to think about sparring or you just will never get that real feel for it, though no doubt it WILL still work for you in real life, it just wont be as good as if you sparred it, imo.

[TTEscrima]

your instructor looks good.

I think you're a little confused, Mercop isn't one of our instructors, in fact it's the other way around, Boar is one of his instructors/mentors.

Uke also isn't from our school, and he isn't one of our students, we've haven't even had the opportunity to meet...yet.

Also, I don't know which video you're referring to either since Mercop has quite a few.

[Ghost]

I think you're a little confused, Mercop isn't one of our instructors, in fact it's the other way around, Boar is one of his instructors/mentors.

Uke also isn't from our school, and he isn't one of our students, we've haven't even had the opportunity to meet...yet.

Also, I don't know which video you're referring to either since Mercop has quite a few.

ah ok, apologies, interesting that this is what you actually do, i do something very similar in the uk, we dont have much on guns though other than some disarms but for us its not relevant. We do do a fair bit of sparring as well.
But, fair play to you, i like what you are doing there and my reluctance to discuss prob comes from the same reasons as yours.

I really dont see what you are seeing in this video though.

[TigerClaw]

No legitimate CMA practitioner believes this type of crap or spouts it, you're clearly an MMA fan who just wants to deride the CMA's.



Graceful, fancy, flowery, are all terms that have NOTHING to do with describing any martial art application, except by people who get their info from Kung Fu flicks, unless of course you're the creation of a regular here who needs a new gimmick because his old act is moldy. So which is it? Are you 10 years old and deluded? Or are you trolling? Your posts have proven you've never seen real CMA's much less trained in them. Actually don't bother answering, even a 10 year old movie fan would have expressed more knowledge than your post have displayed.

Nope, wrong on all accounts. I am 45 years old , started Kung Fu when I was around 19, and I teach Kung Fu at two different locations. I have been a teacher for a while now. I also taught many years ago as well. I have learned and studies many different styles of Kung Fu, including Hung Gar, Northern Shaolin, White Crane, Seven Star Praying Mantis, Snake style, some Choy Lee Fut, and a few other styles etc etc. My foundational style is Hung gar however.I have been considering writing a book for Kung Fu practitioners about how to do survival combat fighting from the ground and grappling attacks.

I used the terms graceful, flowery and fancy, because some have attacked any Kung Fu that is flowery and fancy etc. as useless. But also, if you knew about Kung Fu you would know that the graceful moves are not just to look nice, they are needed to flow from one move to the next. They also find the perfect flow of motion and move along circular lines at times. This comes in handy when you are fighting more than one opponent. Also there are styles that i like also and have studied a bit, like Bagua and snake style that are very graceful looking. I also find even certain Hung Gar movements graceful and flowery.

But I did see my instructor do this with another Tae Kwon Do man. He did look graceful in his movements and flowery. He used the Praying Mantist style and he looked a bit like a giant insect. It was facinating to watch.

Before I learned the Bung Bo form an the two man Bung Bo form and other mantis techniques, I use to watch the praying mantis and poke at it with a stick. I saw how it caught the stick and I saw its stances etc. I started to develope moves from the mantis. I tried these out on my other Kung Fu classmates and they worked almost all the time. I even overcame one of my instructors with this style. I know this sounds very similar to Wang Lang, the Seven Star mantis Founder. But, that is what happened. Truthfully, I like my mantis style better than the Seven Star mantis (though I do like Seven Star mantis alot) because I developed it to work for me. In the style I developed, I used the mantis claw almost all the time , only using palms for certain techniques. I had a Kung Fu background already so the development of such moves was not as hard to do. But in the Seven Star mantis we se monkey stepping, which is good, and fist strikes and other techniques that the founder got from many other styles.

This is a true story and so is the story of my instructor overcoming the Tae Kwon Do black belt.I am not saying that Tae Kwon Do practitioners are not good at their art. I am just telling a true story of one encounter. There are other stories as well, but I think that you would find some hard to believe, even though they are true and I was an eyewitness. Like my instructor fighting bare handed against a man coming at him with two swords and having the man on his back with the swords at his throat.

[jubaji]

Oh great. This idiot has just been banned from yet another forum and will be spreading more of his crap here as a result. He will vie with pUke and TTExcrement for most annoying theory boy of the year.

[kingoftheforest]

Guess this thread was getting to serious and informative. Time to call in the cavalry.

[FLMKane]

Tiger Claw a black belt in TKD means nothing. They all have horrible standards of grading. The guy who got beaten probably went to a mcdojo.

As for grace full moves = good move, I disgree. If your opponent is any good he will be able to completely disrupt the flow your trying to achieve and use that to his advantage. He wont need to flow through forms because he does'nt need forms.Flowing itself is not bad, its just that when you stop it the flower gets simply screwed.

Although will say that certain attacks can be effective though they look good.But grace has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH FIGHTING!And please dont start writing books we have enough bullshit around already.

[TigerClaw]

Oh great. This idiot has just been banned from yet another forum and will be spreading more of his crap here as a result. He will vie with pUke and TTExcrement for most annoying theory boy of the year.

It looks like you are the one who is spweing out the lies and arrogant talk and attacking a true Kung Fu teacher. Is that how you behave towards Martial arts teachers? I am surprised if any man has ever wanted to teach you anything. You are among the worst kind of martial artist in my opinion. Sad to say.

By the way, If one man who has a massive ego banns me for a while, with no real cause. That does not mean for a second that I had done anything wrong.

You would not be able to prove that anything I have said is "crap" as you put it. If you think I have said anything that is not accurate and helpful for survival combat, show me what it is. I am waiting eagerly for you to try. i assume you will have absolutely nothing to show, and so you will just resort to name calling. This is what men do when they have run out of argument.

By the way what style have you learned again? Is this Ben Grimm by any chance?

[TigerClaw]

Tiger Claw a black belt in TKD means nothing. They all have horrible standards of grading. The guy who got beaten probably went to a mcdojo.

As for grace full moves = good move, I disgree. If your opponent is any good he will be able to completely disrupt the flow your trying to achieve and use that to his advantage. He wont need to flow through forms because he does'nt need forms.Flowing itself is not bad, its just that when you stop it the flower gets simply screwed.

I totally disagree. I am speaking of a master who has learned how to flow from any position into the next. There is no flow disruption if he finds the bridge to cross and if he has developed his instinctive sensitivity.

Grace has everything to do with it.

By the way what martial arts have you studied? can you expound for me, The teachers name, the club, the style, the history, lineage etc . And are you a Kung Fu teacher?

[Uke]

Fortunately, they're not the only ones reading what I post, or I would have stopped long ago. It's not all about the regular posters, we've met some good people on the net who've never posted due to the trolls but thanked us for tolerating their nonsense to try to share knowledge.

Point taken.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

As far as the graceful moves and effective moves go. I feel that it's one of those "dark clouds doesn't necessarily mean there's rain but if there's rain there's certainly dark clouds" situations. I feel an effective move that is polished will look graceful when performed but not necessarily the other way around.
Effective and Grace in action:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdVKrUJjxg[/youtube]

[TigerClaw]

As far as the graceful moves and effective moves go. I feel that it's one of those "dark clouds doesn't necessarily mean there's rain but if there's rain there's certainly dark clouds" situations. I feel an effective move that is polished will look graceful when performed but not necessarily the other way around.
Effective and Grace in action:
YouTube - Athens 2004 - Judo - Inoue - Uchimata

Yes I can agree there, he knew his technique and he made it smooth and effective.

[jubaji]

It looks like you are the one who is spweing out the lies and arrogant talk and attacking a true Kung Fu teacher.

Oh, you're a true 'something' alright...

Were you or were you not just banned from another forum? Speak up asshole.

[TigerClaw]

Oh, you're a true 'something' alright...

Were you or were you not just banned from another forum? Speak up asshole.

I am not talking to you when you are acting as the worst kind of martial artist. You attack, mock, lie, and spew out your garbage so often that I think you should be banned immediately.

Do you think calling a Martial arts teacher the name you did, is how any sane person should talk to another? Is that the respect you give to a Kung Fu teacher?

Again, I wait eagerly for you to show me anything at all that I have said that is not right and acceptable in the martial arts community? I am waiting......

If not then it is you that should keep quiet and go play in your little corner with some video games or something. Stop trying to interfere with the adults in here.

Like i said before you are among the worst type of martial artist out there. I have read your rude cursing at others and me, it is pathetic. What has got you to be such an angry person and curse others?