The dangers of The Dragon List Forum and Martial arts Forums in general.

[TigerClaw]

I just want to say that I had a bad experiences at the Dragons List Forum a while ago and bad experiences in here.

I went in there to discuss ideas and talk and share techniques etc. And as in this forum at times, I met certain people who attacked me constantly and tried to change the topics etc. They would ask me certain questions and I would answer what I wanted to at the time. But if I didn't answer what they posted at times they would threaten to ban me. What a childish attitude. One particular Moderators seemed to be like this. Anyway, I did not release certain information because I want to see how far they will dig a hole for themselves. But then I was going to share some more to expose them. So what do they do? They ban me.

LOL

Anyway, I met certain attackers over there who were very rude and insulting, now when I come in here I find out that some of the men here belonged to that forum. Like Jubaji, and he seemed to recruit men like Ben Grimm. Ben Grimm comes from that Forum and he came in here it seems to just attack me here. What kind of men are like this?

What kind of a life do they have?

I have rebuked them enough in the other forum. But they still keep coming

I have to say, that from the the few forums I have visited, seeking to discuss martial arts. I find that there is almost plague of evil mockers that fills such places. I am beginning to hate these places and I don't know how long I will continue to visit such places. Such forums are beginning to look shameful to the martial world everywhere., or to be more specific some of those who fill these places and attack others in mean spirited ways are looking this way. To me such men are the worst kind of martial artist.

I am a martial arts teacher, and I have been for many years and I have learned to respect others and to be patient and not just seek to destroy or bring others down. But I have had such mean spirited men attack and lie against me left and right. Then they ban me for absolutely nothing.

I mean, is there a martial arts forum where martial artist can just talk about martial arts and not get banned or have to deal with all the horrible mockers and rude attackers and liars and those who seek to tear you down at every post?

Again, I am beginning to absolutely hate such forums.

No doubt this post will be closed soon. But anyway, is there anything we can do? Perhaps a few of us should start our own forum and have more strict rules.

All I can say is that I came in with good intentions but..............

[Ben Grimm]

We asked about your lineage. You failed to answer. We asked for clarification on things, you refused to give it. Instead all we got were incomplete answers and regurgitations from fortune cookies.

[chief108]

epic fail....

[Ben Grimm]

Chief, it's good to see you here!

[Da Pope]

well the reason people questioned you

is because you were giving out falkey advice

in an area where people could get hurt by following your advice

you evaded simple questions

and had no clue as to the basics of the arts you calimed to be teaching

in short you are a danger to your students

the fact that you are getting the same responce on other forums should maybe tell you something

but alas i doubt it

[TigerClaw]

well the reason people questioned you

is because you were giving out falkey advice in an area where people could get hurt by following your advice

Does everyone see what I mean here, this is an outright lie. I gave good wisdom and some wisdom form very credible sources. I showed how to escape fast out of a grappling situation. I also posted the experts who agreed with me and the military. So these attackers argue against the experts also.

What these mockers mean by flaky advice , is something that they have never seen before or understand. I even posted clear picture of escapes, and very solid fighting techniques. But the mockers wanted to defend the MMA people instead.

in an area where people could get hurt by following your advice

LO, I suppose that a claw to the eyes and groin is not as good for a smaller woman against a grappler as your advice. What would your advice be to a woman just learning, would you tell her to get a full naked choke on her and just faint. Or would you tell her to get an arm bar on her and snap her arm? or would you tell her there is nothing she can do against a grappler. I teach survival combat fighting that is fast and effective. You have no idea what you are talking about.

you evaded simple questions

I try to trap you liars. I wait my time and i do not have to answer all your questions. I have asked questions of those there and they evade as well. Aquira is one of the worst. He says things like "answer me or your out of here". What a big spoiled kid.

and had no clue as to the basics of the arts you calimed to be teaching

Another outright lie. I have a good understanding and years of teaching martial arts. This is the problem they just make stuff up and attack with nothing.

in short you are a danger to your students

Another outright lie. The danger is to not teach survival combat training in such situations and leave them in the "I can't do anything against the unbeatable grapplers of MMA so I better just die realm".. That is the danger.

the fact that you are getting the same responce on other forums should maybe tell you something

Yes it tells me that men like you and ben Grimm and Jubagi have come in here and followed me and attacked as you did there. I have got a better response in here than in the horrible Dragon List. But since you guys from the Dragon List came in the attacks are non stop. Speak on that all may know your intention. You are the worst kind of martial artist. And you really do not know what you are talking about.

[TigerClaw]

We asked about your lineage. You failed to answer. We asked for clarification on things, you refused to give it. Instead all we got were incomplete answers and regurgitations from fortune cookies.

Do you see the attackers and mockers continue to speak.

This man is one of the greatest liars in the Dragon List forum. I gave many things about my background. I just chose not to answer certain things at the time. I was going to answer others later and only once they have trapped themselves. I have certain reasons for not answering things and the attackers assume way too much.

The other lie is that I regurgitated fortune cookies. Never did I did this. I gave sound wisdom from the ages. But to such men it is like casting pearls before swine.

Remember this man Ben Grimm is one of the worst, him and Aquira. This man even followed me here just to try an d attack me. He has threatened me and said he wanted to pound me etc . He should be banned from this site immediately. But, I doubt it, he knows others who are in league with him. Let all who read and watch on consider this.

He also has very little martial arts training and he goes about to attack a Kung Fu teacher and constantly trying to correct him. But all his arguments fail.

[TigerClaw]

epic fail....

This man sounds like another escape prisoner from the Dragon List. I am guessing CLFdevil. Another mocker and attacker. They seem to come in groups. This man was often rebuked by me and had no argument. If this is CLF Devil. If not he is most likely one of the attackers from the DL.

[sunwukung]

Hi KFM - how are you?

The other lie is that I regurgitated fortune cookies. Never did I did this. I gave sound wisdom from the ages. But to such men it is like casting pearls before swine.

Amazing. You deny the allegation of using aphorisms, by using an aphorism. Aphorisms in themselves are not a bad thing, but in your hands they become rather pungent.

This man even followed me here

Ahem...let's be honest, you've gone to another forum and started bad mouthing these people. Are you surprised they've followed you?

I can't do anything against the unbeatable grapplers of MMA so I better just die realm

What you failed to realise, and continue to do so, is that none of us have a chip on our shoulder about MMA vs. TMA. Your misapprehension stems from a failure to understand what MMA is. MMA is not a style, it is a method.

The real crux of TMA vs MMA is really a question of 'forms practice' vs 'full contact sparring'. If you had to do only one of those, the latter would hurt more, but create a better fighter (though technically not as crisp as someone who'd learnt loads of form). However, there is NO REASON why a good martial artist can't do both. This is why Kyokushinkai is one of the most respected traditional Japanese styles.

The irony is that one of your initial points against MMA was that a system developed in such a short time would not be as rich as a traditional system developed over hundreds of years. Yet then you talked about creating a unique form from observing a mantis in your garden, a prime example of the sort of mystical yoda-esque nonsense you spouted that made everyone dislike you so much. Perhaps you did do exactly that, perhaps it was an excellent style - but unfortunately we have no proof and have to take your rather tall story with a pinch of salt I'm afraid. You don't seem to be able to grasp that basic fact. Only a fool believes everything a stranger tells him.

KFM/TC, we have had the same debate that you started on the DList many, many, many times, gone over all the points you referred to in the past. I invited you to check the archives so that you could understand - but you appear to have ignored that and ploughed on regardless. As you can see, I've been reasonable in this post, I'm not attacking you - I'm just speaking the truth (as I see it).

The simple fact was that people disliked your patronising and quasi-mystical tone - nothing more.

[Da Pope]

and the fact he is ripping people off by training them in dangerous techniques

that only hold true in KFM/TC's head

[Da Pope]

of course the real danger of internet forums is the dissemination of information by idiots

[JadeDragon]

Does everyone see what I mean here, this is an outright lie. I gave good wisdom and some wisdom form very credible sources. I showed how to escape fast out of a grappling situation. I also posted the experts who agreed with me and the military. So these attackers argue against the experts also.

No, what you showed is crappy escapes from grappling situations that would never work if done full speed and on the streets in real fight situations.

[JadeDragon]

Oh by the way...Whats up Da Pope, Chief, SunWu, and Ben? Good to see ya here at this forum.

[sunwukung]

Wassup JD!

[JadeDragon]

Just checkin' out the action over here......lol. I see kungfuman is spewing at the mouth here as well.