dangers of flakey teachers and the rise of internet fu

[TigerClaw]

Well, for one, it would prove your point and stop this endless rhetorical krappenziedeutsch festival. Remember, you started the thread regarding KF vs. MMA - so if you refuse to post proof of your technique that's up to you.

Wrong again, I wish you would get your info right, one little slip like "VS" instead of "And" can make a big difference. I am not saying Kung Fu Verses MMA, (VS). Do you see how others try to create a situation that I never intended. I am very, very, careful with my words, even though I am bad at typing and spelling..

And by the way, I wait for one picture from you of any technique or any video of you etc. let s post it in here and see if you have proper training and stances etc etc etc etc etc etc.

When you take even the slightest attacking pose towards me I take my stance and prepare for defense. This is what I am doing in here, it is sort of like a fight in reality, but different, and I can tell when men telegraph their weight preparing for attack. However, If you let your guard down and talk reasonably I will not have to put up my guard and we can have a good talk. But it is sure that as far as my guard in here you will never break it. I have discussed many things with others and I seek to always consider what they say and I study their attack plans and I often find their weekness and contradiction and their wrong understandings of what I have said. many times people are just not skilled in reasoning and debate and they assume way too much about a person from what they say. This gets them into trouble and falsehoods. The best way to avoid this is to say sorry , if you have attacked me wrongly and start again.

Then tell me a bit more about yourself and what styles you like and your understandings of certain things.

[TigerClaw]

Ahhh, peace for a while.....

[Tant01]

Cannon fist...

Ahhh, peace for a while.....

Enjoy your peace... While it lasts.

[sunwukung]

I am not saying Kung Fu Verses MMA, (VS).

Perhaps you've misconstrued my use of that phrase. It was directed at your comments about Kung Fu in comparison to MMA with regards to "real combat".

And by the way, I wait for one picture from you of any technique or any video of you etc. let s post it in here and see if you have proper training and stances.

Yes, yes, very good. Except I haven't made any claims that I am trying to validate.
Here's an analogy. A man walks into a board room, this man is called Kung Fu Man. He has with him an idea for a product, it's called 'real kung fu'. He submits his proposal to the board, and on failing to show a working model of this product, the board declines to invest - stating that they need to see adequate proof of concept before they can accept the validity of his project. Befuddled, Kung Fu Man turns to one of the skeptical board members and says "Yeah, so what, where's YOUR blueprint" - at which point he replies, "But Mr. Fu Man - I am not selling you anything...".
Does that help you understand the problem - it is your crusade, your posts, and your thread. The burden of proof is on you.

But it is sure that as far as my guard in here you will never break it.

That much is given KFM, you appear to be very resistant to rational discussion.

many times people are just not skilled in reasoning and debate

Refusing to answer questions and denying all statements does not a good debating method make.

and they assume way too much about a person from what they say.

I assume nothing about you, I'm having to go on the quality and content of your posts. When you say certain things (like you want to adapt Jujitsu to be more applicable to combat) you contradict yourself, and for that reason I question the validity of your reasoning.

My honest assessment is that, like many TMA teachers, you are just hung up on an issue of traditional styles with regards to the UFC phenomena, and are wary of getting in a ring but veiling it in morality in mysticism. I don't want to get into an MMA ring, I'm happy with the level of skill I've developed, because I've applied myself as much as I can with the time, resources and limitations I have.

The best way to avoid this is to say sorry , if you have attacked me wrongly and start again.

Thing is, I'm not actually attacking you, I'm simply questioning you and you appear to be very evasive. All I'm saying is that you cannot prove your point without evidence, and then you get defensive saying I will not believe the evidence you provide. Simply put, a picture is too easy to stage, and a drill with your son does not equate to the level of combat you're talking about.

tell me a bit more about yourself and what styles you like.

JFTR, I've done MA for about 13 years, more recently in Wing Chun - and I recently trained in Hong Kong. I've been in several real fights, against multiple attackers - having worked in bars for a decade, but they were pretty tame really.

If you don't mind I'll refrain from going further down this route, since it has merely added to the distractions from the topic, with pointless questions about knowledge, lineage etc. when all that is required is a demonstration in a relatively realistic sparring bout against a grappler. I mean, that's what the thread that caused all this ruckus was about wasn't it?

You have said that my peers and I have not seen true kung fu in real combat, which is your response to people that disagree with you. You say you have seen and train real kung fu, and this is how you know that your method could apparently exploit the weaknesses of an MMA fighter. So in regards to this thread and your opinion, you are the only person in a position to demonstrate this.

I also want to stress that in many cases you seem to think that some folks that disagree with you believe KF is bad and MMA is good. This is a mistake, or else why would the majority of your opponents in this debate practise Kung Fu systems?

[TigerClaw]

Perhaps you've misconstrued my use of that phrase. It was directed at your comments about Kung Fu in comparison to MMA with regards to "real combat".

No you implied the word VS. I was not setting up something like that.

Yes, yes, very good. Except I haven't made any claims that I am trying to validate.

Yes you are making them now. Any time you disagree with a technique I share or an idea about my understanding of Kung Fu, you are doing just that.

Here's an analogy. A man walks into a board room, this man is called Kung Fu Man. He has with him an idea for a product, it's called 'real kung fu'. He submits his proposal to the board, and on failing to show a working model of this product, the board declines to invest - stating that they need to see adequate proof of concept before they can accept the validity of his project. Befuddled, Kung Fu Man turns to one of the skeptical board members and says "Yeah, so what, where's YOUR blueprint" - at which point he replies, "But Mr. Fu Man - I am not selling you anything...".
Does that help you understand the problem - it is your crusade, your posts, and your thread. The burden of proof is on you.

No, I am not selling anything, and I don't care if anyone believe me or not. And I have shown pics and given credentials etc. So the analogy fails. I do not have to sell real kung fu. I merely pointed out that MMA is a sport fighting with rules. Any person n who does not hace a bias should agree with me. then I made the point that Kung fu is very different than sport fighting with rules. Kung Fu is survival combat fighting with centuries of development. This is not something I have to prove there is ample evidence.

That is the whole argument. but some unwisely read into what I say and add all sorts of things to it. They try to make a fight where I did not.

That much is given KFM, you appear to be very resistant to rational discussion.

Not true at all. I listen to all arguments, some make no sense at all. Some are just mean spirited biases and attacks. Some try to discuss issues but because of their own lack of understanding in some of the basics of kung fu they come of looking like they have no idea what they are talking about. There are a few like this.

Refusing to answer questions and denying all statements does not a good debating method make.

I have answered many questions and I do not deny all statements. I also cannot answer all statement. And I choose not to answer some questions for other reasons.

I assume nothing about you, I'm having to go on the quality and content of your posts. When you say certain things (like you want to adapt Jujitsu to be more applicable to combat) you contradict yourself, and for that reason I question the validity of your reasoning.

You again assumed to much by what I said. By saying that i want to adapt jujitsu to be more combative in survival fighting I mean that much of the jujitsu that I have watched is set up for sport fighting. I know there is combat elements to it. But I would take a escape from a triangle for example and develope it to be faster and more direct in combat to stop and end the fight. I am talking about certain vital point strikes and groin attacks etc. Many of the triangle escapes that I have watched and studied, do not have this clawing or vital strike attacks. This is what I mean.

My honest assessment is that, like many TMA teachers, you are just hung up on an issue of traditional styles with regards to the UFC phenomena, and are wary of getting in a ring but veiling it in morality in mysticism. I don't want to get into an MMA ring, I'm happy with the level of skill I've developed, because I've applied myself as much as I can with the time, resources and limitations I have.

No, I do not fear MMA fighter. I am not boasting, or trying to be proud. I just have no fear of the kind of fighting I have sen in the ring. What I fear is men like one of my instructors that if I grappled him he would have my vital areas attacked in seconds. and I would be in danger of being seriously hurt.

Also, the moral aspect I speak of is VITAL to a good KUng Fu man and especially a teacher of Kung Fu. Without it I would not consider my self a Kung Fu teacher. I do not pick fights or fight for glory. I have nothing to prove to myself or others. And my goals in life are very different from some. But that does not mean for a second that I cannot handle myself if needed. I not only practice Kung Fu and teach it, but I deeply study it and other styles also. I have been studying MMA fights for a long time now.

I am not weary of stepping into the ring, the fear issue is non existant with me. It has to do with a completely different mindset. I am troubled by many of the people and their attitudes on some of these shows.

Thing is, I'm not actually attacking you, I'm simply questioning you and you appear to be very evasive.

Not evasive, I seek to use wisdom in dealing with certain attackers and rude people. If any man wants to talk reasonably then I can discuss any issue. if they attack me, they will find me evasive and clever in dealing with their mean spiritedness. I have dealt with such people for many years.

All I'm saying is that you cannot prove your point without evidence, and then you get defensive saying I will not believe the evidence you provide. Simply put, a picture is too easy to stage, and a drill with your son does not equate to the level of combat you're talking about.

It depends on how you read the evidence. I posted clear pictures in frames showing transitional movements in the other forum, and if they cannot see the clarity, then I think they are just attacking me no matter what I show them. For example if a man attempts a side mount on me and for a second exposes his face and groin, I attack both areas and then lock the head and twist, I do this as I shift my hips to the side and roll over all the time locking and twisting his head. Very simple, very clear, very effective. But not allowed in sport fighting, so many have never even trained in such a way, or even seen such things. So to them it may not be the standard escape. But it is a very fast one. And illegal in MMA fights.

JFTR, I've done MA for about 13 years, more recently in Wing Chun - and I recently trained in Hong Kong. I've been in several real fights, against multiple attackers - having worked in bars for a decade, but they were pretty tame really.

Hey, that is good that you trained for 13 years and Wing Chun is very fast and effective for combat. You should know by learning Wing Chun that they seek to end the fight very fast and to find the most efficient way of doing that. I use a similar principle and seek to end the ground fight quickly. The last thing I would want to see is one of my female students on the ground with a larger attacker who is trained in grappling. I teach them to escape fast and it may seem a bit more viscious to some. But in a life and death struggle the last thing a small woman wants to do is roll around the ground with a man who knows grappling who is trying to rape her.

I think some of the experts I posted who agree with me would say the same.

If you don't mind I'll refrain from going further down this route, since it has merely added to the distractions from the topic, with pointless questions about knowledge, lineage etc. when all that is required is a demonstration in a relatively realistic sparring bout against a grappler. I mean, that's what the thread that caused all this ruckus was about wasn't it?

You call it a simple bout. It would be anything but simple. First of all, i do not scrap for glory or showing off. I also do not pick fights with others unless it is for self defense. And I have nothing to prove and don't care if others want proof. What I showed and describe does work. if a person does not believe me, then have a someone that you grapple with attack you, (don't tell him what you are going to do) and as soon as he grapples you attack (but be careful) his groin or eyes or other vital areas or grab his finger and put pressure as if you are going to break it. And watch how fast he changes his angle and his attack. he will coil into a ball when you attack the groin, and he will push you away or squirm very fast if you attack his eyes. Go ahead and try this and then get back to me about what happens. This should be proof to you. I have done this and it works real fast.

These things are so basic and simple that any martial artist should understand.

Also, imagine what a real fight would be like with a Kung Fu master and a MMA fighter, the master takes his stance, lets say a low unicorn stance, and his guard is poised in a snake fist. The MMA fighter looks at him strange, having most likely never seen such a stance in all MMA fights, Then the MMA fighter squats down and approaches the Kung FU master, the MMA guy tries to throw a punch to the head of the Kung Fu master , and the master deflects it and spears his hand right into the eyes of the MMA fighter with lightning speed. The MMa fighter takes both of his hands and covers his eyes in pain and then the master kicks him very hard in the groin. All this takes about 4 or 5 seconds. Then the whistles blow and the reff stops the fight. What is so entertaining about that? This is one reason a Kung Fu master cannot fight in MMA fights for sport. Now I know that things could go differently and the MMA fighter might try many more different moves.

Ok, lets take another one. Lets assume that the MMA fighter did not get speared in the eyes and he does a fake high, then shoots in and seeks to grapple the Kung Fu master to the ground, then as he is pushing him back the master takes a stance to stablize himself and he reaches over with his hand and locks the MMA fighters chin or inside lip eye lids etc and twist up and back, the MMA fighter has his neck almost broken, then the Master quickly attacks the throat or groin area. The whistle blows again, and illegal move.

Ok, lets say the MMA fighter has him on the ground and just did a shoot to him and the master is on his back and the MMA fighter seeks to jump on top of him, like we have seen thousands of times on TV. But in doing this he leaves his eyes and groin exposed so the master attacks them quickly and the MMA fighter coils into a ball, and the reff blows the whistle. The fight is over.

I know that you might say, A good MMA fighter would not allow those areas to be hit" But that would be false. I have watched MMA fights where the attacker gets kicked in the groin and the fight has to stop immediately. I also have seen so many times where they leave vital areas exposed. It is a different mindset with Kung Fu combat survival fighting than with sport fighting.

If you don't believe me on this, just watch a Ultimate fighter fight or MMA etc, and watch when the ground fighting takes place how many times the opponents hands go over the face and how many times the groin face fingers throat nerve endings etc etc are exposed. I see this all the time. I know it is just a sport fighting, and not a survival combat. But that is my whole point all along. Can anyone just agree to this? That Kung Fu is a combat survival fighting for real life and MMA fighting is a sport with rules and for entertainment. Outside of the ring is a different story. the fights would be, "whoever can attack the vital areas first".

You have said that my peers and I have not seen true kung fu in real combat, which is your response to people that disagree with you.

I am not reffering to you directly, more to those who think they have an idea of what kung fu is, who have never taken it or their style doesn't deal with certain things etc.

I also want to stress that in many cases you seem to think that some folks that disagree with you believe KF is bad and MMA is good. This is a mistake, or else why would the majority of your opponents in this debate practise Kung Fu systems?

I have found recently that some who take Kung Fu, seem to despair of it against grapplers. They almost act and speak as if Kung Fu does not have a strong ground fighting response to much of the MMA fighters. I disagree with them, so they either do not know what i am talking about and have never studied the same, or they are just on the brink of giving up their Kung Fu and becoming Jujitsu fighters. Don't get me wrong, I like many things in Jujitsu and Ninjitsu. I have a friend of mine who is a teacher of Ninjitsu. But even though I have learned many things from my jujitsu friends and I will continue to learn. I try to make many of the techniques more combat ready. i do not seek to put a leg lock on a person when I can attack his groin and be on my feet in seconds, etc. But in some cases it might be good to do such a thing. So i keep my options open.

I also think training in Kung Fu and Jujitsu and many other styles is good and i encourage it. But, within Kung Fu is so much to be learned and explored that I find it may take a lifetime.

[jubaji]

if a person does not believe me, then have a someone that you grapple with attack you, (don't tell him what you are going to do) and as soon as he grapples you attack (but be careful) his groin or eyes or other vital areas or grab his finger and put pressure as if you are going to break it. And watch how fast he changes his angle and his attack. he will coil into a ball when you attack the groin, and he will push you away or squirm very fast if you attack his eyes. Go ahead and try this and then get back to me about what happens. This should be proof to you. I have done this and it works real fast. .

You keep repeating this lie but you keep failing to provide any evidence whatsoever that you can or ever have done anything of the sort against any kind of competent grappler. Do you honestly think people don't see what you are really about? Do you have some kind of mental problem?

[sunwukung]

No you implied the word VS. I was not setting up something like that.

I am referring to the fact that you are making a comparison between kung fu and MMA in terms of a real fight, and also against each other. You may not have explicitly used the word versus, but I am simply using the word as a shorthand.

Yes you are making them now. Any time you disagree with a technique I share or an idea about my understanding of Kung Fu, you are doing just that.

I've frequently said that you may be right, but it requires proof.

No, I am not selling anything, and I don't care if anyone believe me or not.

So why do you continue to post in your defense? If you didn't care, then you wouldn't bother...

And I have shown pics and given credentials etc.

You talk about these techniques working in the context of a real fight, or against an MMA opponent. You have not shown proof regarding these particular claims. Again, they may be true, but without proof, how do we know.

Bertrand Russell once made the point (loosely) that a good indication of a flawed argument is if it's proponent insists it's 100% true. What you are talking about is entirely possible, but is it probable? That's kind of what MMA is about, whittling down the repertoire of techniques to the few that work consistently against a resistant opponent.
You say that you refuse to get into a real fight to prove your point. Sure, but that's not what's being asked of you. You could certainly spar against a more fiery opponent than your son surely?

Kung Fu is survival combat fighting with centuries of development. This is not something I have to prove there is ample evidence.

Where?

You again assumed to much by what I said. By saying that i want to adapt jujitsu to be more combative in survival fighting I mean that much of the jujitsu that I have watched is set up for sport fighting.

This point, and the one preceding it about kung fu's history are contradictory. You say that you have no need to prove kung fu (because history has I assume) but Jujitsu has exactly the same kind of heritage and you associate it with sport fighting. Jujitsu is generally graded at full contact against resisting opponents, and is widely a default system practised by a variety of security staff. To my mind, that says you know little of jujitsu. Far from there being combat 'elements' the whole system was developed in war.

What I fear is men like one of my instructors that if I grappled him he would have my vital areas attacked in seconds. and I would be in danger of being seriously hurt.

It seems strange to me that your answer to grappling is vital points and gouging. Most CMA (barring Wing Chun) have extensive forms, the kind you spoke of before - and yet these are the only techniques you are mentioning. Say I were a boxer, and I were to face a grappler - I would be at a disadvantage in certain circumstances. Yet, rather than solely relying on boxing to fend off grapplers, it would be better to study grappling.

I am not weary of stepping into the ring, the fear issue is non existant with me. It has to do with a completely different mindset.

Have you never watched a kung fu movie? It's all about honour and glory!!!

I have dealt with such people for many years.

I imagine that's something of an occupational hazard isn't it?

It depends on how you read the evidence. I posted clear pictures in frames showing transitional movements in the other forum, and if they cannot see the clarity, then I think they are just attacking me no matter what I show them.

As I said, it's entirely possible, and yes, your photos show what you mean - but is it probable in a live situation against a non-compliant opponent? That cannot be demonstrated by posed photos.

You should know by learning Wing Chun that they seek to end the fight very fast and to find the most efficient way of doing that.

I've also heard a lot of defensive talk about grappling within my system, but little actual evidence. Truth is, Wing Chun is great in certain situations, but given it's range it would put you in a bad place against a trained grappler. I don't mind that, because it's enough for me.

But in a life and death struggle the last thing a small woman wants to do is roll around the ground with a man who knows grappling who is trying to rape her.

Certainly, but if she ends up there against her will, and she's relying on a system that generates power from upright stances - then she's in a bad place. Grappling is one of the four component of fighting: Striking, Kicking, Throwing, Grappling. Simply put, you need all four to have a complete system.

Go ahead and try this and then get back to me about what happens. This should be proof to you. I have done this and it works real fast.

KFM, how can I know that I would replicate the technique correctly? Only you know what you are talking about, since I don't know the real kung fu. I'll have to defer to your greater skill and await your example with eager anticipation.

Also, imagine what a real fight....

Imagine being the operative word. This is all hypothetical. See, MMA has hundreds of episodes that we can watch to understand what it entails - yet you appear unable to provide even a short clip, despite saying you have regular exposure to this kind of training. It doesn't add up.

But that is my whole point all along. Can anyone just agree to this? That Kung Fu is a combat survival fighting for real life and MMA fighting is a sport with rules and for entertainment.

Sure, but there is surely some middle ground where kung fu can demonstrate it's considerable range of skill against MMA? Why hasn't any Kung Fu Man won any MMA tournaments?

even though I have learned many things from my jujitsu friends and I will continue to learn. I try to make many of the techniques more combat ready.

Repeatedly saying you can make jujitsu more 'combat ready' makes you look like an absolute eedjit. Unless you are training in live combat on a daily basis, you are simply hypothesising about your combat readiness.

[TigerClaw]

You keep repeating this lie but you keep failing to provide any evidence whatsoever that you can or ever have done anything of the sort against any kind of competent grappler. Do you honestly think people don't see what you are really about? Do you have some kind of mental problem?

Wrong again, Go and try what I suggest. I know you may not do exactly what i would do and might not know the same techniques. But as a general rule, attack his vital areas when he grapples you. Instead of trying to do a standard jujitsu escape attack the groin eyes fingers etc etc. It is a simple experiment, do this and watch what happens. To suggest this doe not make me appear mental. Actually to think that I appear mental almost makes the person who says such things look unwise and uneducated. And I really do think that some don't see what I am talking about because they do not incorporate this into their defense strategy for combat.

By the way some of the experts agree with me, have you read the quotes I posted about this. You seem to be arguing with the experts and Kung Fu teachers, What style do you do again? how much do you really know about Kung Fu? It would be silly for a man to argue against a Kung Fu teacher who has ben teaching for many years and not really either understand Kung Fu or be a teacher of Kung Fu himself, don't you think so?

I will not provide such evidence you seek for a few reasons. One, the odds of being attacked in real life by a grappler who has trained are very slim, and even more slim to have it recorded. Secondly, even if I showed techniques with a few of my MMA friends (one who has fought professionally), you would say it was a set up and not a real fight. Thirdly, I am not trying to prove this to you. I merely am making comments about my beliefs and understandings. If any are wise enough to try this test I suggested and se how it changes the direction of the fight and allows you to escape then that is their benefit and if not, then they miss out.

By the way I was hired to work at a MMA fight club, teaching Kung Fu a while ago. But it was too far for me to drive each day. The MMA fight instructor there knew all about my training etc. And no, I will not tell the names of people or places in here any more, unless I have a reason to.

[jubaji]

I will not provide such evidence you seek.

Yeah, I didn't think so. Give it a rest already, everyone sees you for what you really are at this point.

[sunwukung]

Go and try what I suggest. I know you may not do exactly what i would do and might not know the same techniques. But as a general rule, attack his vital areas when he grapples you.

No, why don't YOU go and try what you suggest. Either you believe what you suggest is acceptable, or you don't. If it's the former, do it yourself. This is ridiculous - why should we go on errands to prove your point?

One, the odds of being attacked in real life by a grappler who has trained are very slim, and even more slim to have it recorded.

So you're wary of testing your skills against a trained grappler?

Secondly, even if I showed techniques with a few of my MMA friends (one who has fought professionally), you would say it was a set up and not a real fight.

It's a good place to start, you might gain a lot more respect if you actually just got on with it.

By the way I was hired to work at a MMA fight club, teaching Kung Fu a while ago. But it was too far for me to drive each day. The MMA fight instructor there knew all about my training etc. And no, I will not tell the names of people or places in here any more, unless I have a reason to.

I was hired by the President of the USA to be his personal bodyguard, I did it for 15 years, but I'm not telling you who I am or when I did it. So what's the point in mentioning it? Unless I was trying to prove something.

For you it appears to be a question of proving the worth of Kung Fu, something you needn't bother with because most of the people you're addressing love kung fu and train passionately.
Your audience does not suffer from a lack of belief in the merits and practice of kung fu, but an absence of faith in you.

[JadeDragon]

I got you both beat....I was hired to guard Vladamir Putin who used to be with the KGB but it was to far to fly every day just to guard him for my 8 hour shift. So now I'm guarding President-elect Barack Hussien Obama. Its a lot shorter commute time. It only a 2 hour flight to Washington vs. a 20 hour flight to Moscow. I could give you the name of my boss but he's secret service so his name will have to remain a secret.

[Ben Grimm]

Yes and watch out for the second coming of the USSR. I won't tell you where I got that from or else I'll lose my job as Supreme Commander of all Military Forces in the country that I officially don't work for. LMFAO!

[TigerClaw]

I was hired by the President of the USA to be his personal bodyguard, I did it for 15 years, but I'm not telling you who I am or when I did it. So what's the point in mentioning it? Unless I was trying to prove something.

I mentioned being hired by a MMA club to teach Kung Fu as a consideration that not all MMA fighters think as you do and some are aware of the benefits of Kung Fu. I am trying to prove the benefits of Kung Fu. By the way, Kung Fu does have answers for grappling and ground fighting. And there are many different styles of Kung Fu.

The real issue is between Jujitsu and kung Fu. Both of these systems have been around for a long time. Both have strengths. But coming from a Kung Fu background and seeing my ground fighting in my study and knowing that many Kung Fu techniques have similar application on the ground etc etc. And the many years of study and development of fast and effecetive techniques against such grappling situations has made me gear towards kung Fu as perhaps one of the most comprehensive and advanced fighting systems on the planet. There is so much to draw from in kung fu and to deal with many grapping situations. While it is true that alot of Kung Fu defenses against grapplers have to deal with the grapplers approach and first attacking position. there is also many ground fighting escapes and techniques.

I do agree that we as kung Fu practitioners should learn all the time and study techniques that others use to develope techniques to deal with them. THis is why i am hoping in the future to do a ground fighting grappling book for Kung Fu to deal with some of the jujitsu and other grappling techniques. It will have a Kung Fu mindset to it.

[TigerClaw]

Yeah, I didn't think so. Give it a rest already, everyone sees you for what you really are at this point.

Give it a rest already, any person who is not biased can see what kind of person you are and have proven to be. Just go away.What i really am is a Kung Fu teacher who had started martial arts when he was around 19, and tries to show other Kung Fu practitioners tat kung Fu does have answers to the grapplers. And who post the experts to show the that they agree with him.

But you, well, anyone has to just read your acid words and attitude and then they can judge for themselves.

[jubaji]

Anyone who reads your posts can see you repeat "I started around 19 and now I'm 45" repeated over and over again like the Rain Man, along with 'suggestions' about 'tests' that show clearly that you have no experience with or clue about grappling.


Go ahead. Find five people here who do not consider you a total head case and Mayor of LARPer Land.