dangers of flakey teachers and the rise of internet fu

[Garland]

Will someone please remove this clutter from the board?

[TigerClaw]

Im curious as to who you are?

Who did you train with or who are you training with?

Also if you live near me, come visit would love to see how you handle Baguazhang and I your material.

I am a Kung Fu teacher and I have been teaching recently for about close to four years now I think. I taught many years ago as well at one club I went to.

I have studied any different styles and traditional Kung Fu. I have had many different instructors over the years. I do not like to give out their names in here. Especially after the way some talk and attack. i don't want them bothered by the mean spirited attacks in here. But at one Club called E-Chaun Mun, the master taught traditional Hung Gar, Northern Shaolin, White Crane, and my Choy Li Fut master has a direct lineage to the founder Chan Heung. His father was, I believe from the same lineage as Doc Fai Wong. I have not learned that much Choy Li Fut, but I have learned it. I also have learned some Seven Star Praying mantis and snake style as well as some Shaolin Lohan forms and weapons etc etc etc. I teach at two different locations.

The big issue in here began when I dared to say that Kung Fu has fast and effective combat survival techniques that differentiate it from the sport fighting we see on TV and MMA fights. I also dared to say that Kung Fu has grappling and ground fighting as well, and that within many different kung fu styles such a vast amount of techniques can be used against grapplers. I also posted some very clear pictures of escapes from some more common Grappling situations.

Another sub fight began when some CLFsean in the DL, and CLFdevil, attackd me for not telling more Choy Li Fut info.

[Ben Grimm]

For those from DL, TigerClaw is KFM.

[TigerClaw]

For those from DL, admit your error and apologize for your attacks and many lies.

[jubaji]

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[TigerClaw]

You can want whatever you like, but:

a) It is not relevant to this topic
b)I am not actually presenting any techniques to discuss

That's a convenient excuse.

Or is this closer to reality

...Let's just pretend I have no experience, and I'm just being a devil's advocate shall we? That way we can remain focussed.

No that way you can get to close to the devil.

[TigerClaw]

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Speechless again....

[sunwukung]

That's a convenient excuse.

How so? In what way does my lineage have anything to do with evaluating the dangers of flakey teachers? How does my capacity to hold Yee Gee Kay Yeung Ma have anything to do with this thread?

I do not need any martial skill whatsoever to detect inconsistencies in the inherent logic of a verbal statement, and it is on those grounds that I debate your points.

Or is this closer to reality.

That I have no experience? In truth, no, but since I offered it as a theoretical perspective from which to debate with me, feel free to believe whatever you want.
You already do anyway...

[TigerClaw]

...That I have no experience? In truth, no, but since I offered it as a theoretical perspective from which to debate w

Do you have experience, and have you studied Kung Fu for many years as I have? if not why are you arguing with me about things you don't understand?

[sunwukung]

Do you have experience, and have you studied Kung Fu for many years as I have?

As I said:

I do not need any martial skill whatsoever to detect inconsistencies in the inherent logic of a verbal statement, and it is on those grounds that I debate your points.

Since I am not the subject of this thread (being neither a teacher or advancing any theory of martial arts), these questions are not pertinent, nor relevant.

To reiterate:

1)I, and many others, require evidence by way of empirical proof of your claims. Combat occurs over time, so this evidence needs to be time-based, i.e:video. Since you are talking about 'real combat', the video needs, at the very least, to be demonstrated against a non-compliant partner.

2)Training techniques which you can't/won't test until the moment they are required is probably not as valid a methodology as training techniques that can be tested before they are needed. Based on what you have said, the techniques you refer to fall into the former category.

3)Since you are the originator of the idea, it is better for you to demonstrate it, than set others homework - especially since you consistently say we do not understand the techniques you're referring to.

[Ben Grimm]

I am the DEVIL! Instead of LARPing, why don't you just put up or shut up. Just blindly following your teacher or just knowing the applications without testing them will get you hurt.

[TigerClaw]

As I said:
Since I am not the subject of this thread (being neither a teacher or advancing any theory of martial arts), these questions are not pertinent, nor relevant.

LOL, LOL , LOL .......sorry for that outburst it was just funny what you tried to say and your twisted logic.

You just admit that you really don't know what you are talking about and so why do you even try to correct a Kung Fu teacher.

...1)I, and many others, require evidence by way of empirical proof of your claims. Combat occurs over time, so this evidence needs to be time-based, i.e:video. Since you are talking about 'real combat', the video needs, at the very least, to be demonstrated against a non-compliant partner

LOL ....do you need video proof that a kick in the groin is going to hurt someone? or video proof that clawing the eyes is going to hurt the person etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

To use your logic, you could never believe the training in a police academy that says when you point this gun at certain areas of the body the attacker will drop dead. You would have to see the video of it. Your reasoning is very weak as some others in here sad to say. I do not want to be mean to you, but really think about what you are going to say before you attack me.

3)Since you are the originator of the idea, it is better for you to demonstrate it, than set others homework - especially since you consistently say we do not understand the techniques you're referring to.

I am not the originator of a groin kick etc . Kung Fu has been around for a long time. I have developed moves for myself from many other Kung Fu techniques and principles but all Kung Fu teacher do that.

Show me your videos of you doing anything that even closely resmbles martial arts and we can talk about that.

[Ben Grimm]

You might be a teacher, but you're not teaching Kung Fu.

[sunwukung]

You just admit that you really don't know what you are talking about and so why do you even try to correct a Kung Fu teacher.

I'm not correcting you, I'm simply asking you to demonstrate the technique.

To use your logic, you could never believe the training in a police academy that says when you point this gun at certain areas of the body the attacker will drop dead.

Good point. Yet, surely you can defeat a wrestler without killing him?

I do not want to be mean to you, but really think about what you are going to say before you attack me.

I'm not attacking you, I'm asking you questions.

I am not the originator of a groin kick etc . Kung Fu has been around for a long time.

Sure, but as you've said, most of us have no understanding of real kung fu, so we have to rely on your greater skill level to reveal it. Please do so, or we might lose faith in what you're saying. );P

[Ben Grimm]

Can you see what he's saying. Stop preaching to choir TC, it's irritating.