dangers of flakey teachers and the rise of internet fu

[JadeDragon]

TigerClaw/KFM.........Yes I could teach a small framed woman how to defend against a grappler in 2 lessons. Actually I could do it in one lesson. And I wouldn't teach her B.S. that you do. I would teach her how not to get in the situation to start with (how to avoid being taken to the ground). Where as you are trying to teach someone once they are already in a bad predicament/situation.

[JadeDragon]

What does your screen name, "tigerclaw" refer to exactly? Is it related to the kids kung fu company that is teaming with Disney right now? Seems to be the best name to use to generate controversy, and it is guaranteed to get us all to take the bait.

Am I going to be banned for posting this question, for getting too close to the truth?

He should change his name to cats paw like a little kitten's paw (all warm and furry like). It fits him better.

[TigerClaw]

TigerClaw/KFM.........Yes I could teach a small framed woman how to defend against a grappler in 2 lessons. Actually I could do it in one lesson. And I wouldn't teach her B.S. that you do. I would teach her how not to get in the situation to start with (how to avoid being taken to the ground). Where as you are trying to teach someone once they are already in a bad predicament/situation.

Wrong AGAIN. I could also teach them in one lesson and I do teach them how to avoid being taken to the ground and how to get out once they are on the ground. I want you to tell me how you teach them, what do you teach? And what do you teach them if they are taken to the ground? Be careful here, if you say anything at all like I do or the experts do you will become the object of false attack by liars and mean spirited people.

You really don't know what you are talking about do you?

[JadeDragon]

You really don't know what you are talking about do you?

LMAO......Yes I really do know what I'm talking about. And to educate you LMAO means laugh my ass off. Just like LARP (which is you) stands for Live Action Role Play. I have given names of my teachers and have even given out thier e-mail addresses to some people on this forum and on DL which can varify my credentials. I need not prove anything to you TigerClaw/KFM. If you do not think I know what I know then please feel free to PM (that means private message) John Dufresne on DL. He is a member of that forum. Many people know of him and his credentials. He is my teacher and has been since 1988. Before him Grandmaster Dr. Wing Lok Ng was my teacher for 3 years. GM Ng is John Dufresne's teacher as well. Dufresne is a 9th level black sash. I am a 2nd level black sash. If you want his number in China I will PM it to you. I'm not giving it out over the net. GM John Wing Lok Ng is a practicing pharmacist in the small town of Whitesburg, Ky @ a Rite Aid Pharmacy. Its the only one in the whole town. Your more than welcome to look it up and call him. He will tell you the same thing that I've been telling you about myself. Sijo Rusty Gray is a friend of mine and is a student of GM Ng. He teaches in Nashville & is an 8th or 9th level black sash. I've attended several seminars at his school on Hsing I Chuan, Chin Na, pressure point fighting, and on contemporary wu shu. He can verify my credentials. As well as Master Bruce Linville, also in Nashville. http://shaolintempleboxing.org/main.html

What more do I need to say TigerClaw. I have offered names and phone numbers. What have you offered us other than your word? I offer more than my word I offer phone numbers and e-mail addresses to verify what I say is truth. These teachers can and will verify my ability as a teacher and a fighter.

[jubaji]

I have mad instructors .

Now THAT I might believe. At least you could understand each other.

[JadeDragon]

Come on TigerClaw, aren't you going to respond to me? Where are the phone numbers for your teachers? Whats your real name? are you afraid to say who you really are?

[TigerClaw]

LMAO......Yes I really do know what I'm talking about. And to educate you LMAO means laugh my ass off. Just like LARP (which is you) stands for Live Action Role Play. I have given names of my teachers and have even given out thier e-mail addresses to some people on this forum and on DL which can varify my credentials. I need not prove anything to you TigerClaw/KFM. If you do not think I know what I know then please feel free to PM (that means private message) John Dufresne on DL. He is a member of that forum. Many people know of him and his credentials. He is my teacher and has been since 1988. Before him Grandmaster Dr. Wing Lok Ng was my teacher for 3 years. GM Ng is John Dufresne's teacher as well. Dufresne is a 9th level black sash. I am a 2nd level black sash. If you want his number in China I will PM it to you. I'm not giving it out over the net. GM John Wing Lok Ng is a practicing pharmacist in the small town of Whitesburg, Ky @ a Rite Aid Pharmacy. Its the only one in the whole town. Your more than welcome to look it up and call him. He will tell you the same thing that I've been telling you about myself. Sijo Rusty Gray is a friend of mine and is a student of GM Ng. He teaches in Nashville & is an 8th or 9th level black sash. I've attended several seminars at his school on Hsing I Chuan, Chin Na, pressure point fighting, and on contemporary wu shu. He can verify my credentials. As well as Master Bruce Linville, also in Nashville. Shaolin Ssu Wushu Guan Main Page

What more do I need to say TigerClaw. I have offered names and phone numbers. What have you offered us other than your word? I offer more than my word I offer phone numbers and e-mail addresses to verify what I say is truth. These teachers can and will verify my ability as a teacher and a fighter.

I gave names club names picture of my instructors etc etc e. I don't care if any believe me anymore. And I don't want any of these mean spirited evil men bothering any of my other instructors, and yes, they will bother them.

But what I was talking about was not your martial arts study specifically, but your understanding of how to escape in grappling situations. I still wait for you to answer that, you cleverly diverted the discussion to another area.

How do you teach in one day a smaller woman to escape out of a grappling situation when the rapist has taken her to the ground? Still waiting....LMAO...I would even like to see pictures as I showed and video if you can.

And there really is not ranking system in traditional Kung Fu. That is more a Judo, tae Kwon Do, Karate thing as I understand. So Black sash means nothing to me.

As far as the tradition and lineage of your style etc I have seen sites that question all of it. But I don't care about that really. If your history stems way back or not, that is another issue.

When you say,

"some people on this forum and on DL which can varify my credentials"

That is one of the worst sites on the net that I have been on, I hated that place ,why would I believe or care about what some of them say? I won't get into it here, but I could write pages about the lies, slander, cursing, mean spirited, proud, mockery that has gone on towards me.

[TigerClaw]

And you never have and you never will, except with the demons rattling around in that empty mellon of yours.

Yes I have and do, but only for the right reasons.

I think the demons had you bound long ago. The problem is that you might think of them as your friends now.

[JadeDragon]

But what I was talking about was not your martial arts study specifically, but your understanding of how to escape in grappling situations. I still wait for you to answer that, you cleverly diverted the discussion to another area.

How do you teach in one day a smaller woman to escape out of a grappling situation when the rapist has taken her to the ground? Still waiting....LMAO...I would even like to see pictures as I showed and video if you can.

And there really is not ranking system in traditional Kung Fu. That is more a Judo, tae Kwon Do, Karate thing as I understand. So Black sash means nothing to me.

As far as the tradition and lineage of your style etc I have seen sites that question all of it. But I don't care about that really. If your history stems way back or not, that is another issue.

When you say,

"some people on this forum and on DL which can varify my credentials"

That is one of the worst sites on the net that I have been on, I hated that place ,why would I believe or care about what some of them say? I won't get into it here, but I could write pages about the lies, slander, cursing, mean spirited, proud, mockery that has gone on towards me.

Okay, you want specifics on how I would teach someone how to escape a grappler......here it goes. First if possible take a knee out. It takes only 3 lbs of pressure per square inch to break the knee. A well placed side blade kick should do the trick. If that fails there is always the sprawl method of avoinding a takedown. If those fail and the atacker takes her to the ground then here is what I would suggest. If the attacker is in the mount position (him sitting on top of her waist) then she should first pull him close to her body. To do this she should reach with both hand and grab behind his neck and pull him down. This shouldn;t be hard because he's probably wanting to get close to her anyways. Now she takes her foot and crosses it over his ankle and places it on the inside of his foot by his ankle, then using leverage (not strength) grab the shoulder on the same side you hooked your foot on and pull him to that side causing her to reverse the positioning and her being in his guard. From there she can do whatever she needs to do to escape (bite, eye guage, etc...) . It is easier to do these things from this position then what you were trying to tell people to do. This counter to the mount takes NO strength what-so-ever. Easy as pie. I've had girls that way 100 pounds be able to do this move. I believe this tecknique is called an upa. I might be wrong on the name of this tech. but thats how you get out of it when someone has mounted you.

When in someone's guard this is easy to break. It's simple and takes very little strength. You simply stand up in his guard bend over and grab him behind his head and pull his head up towards his waist as you walk forward causing his body to be in a V position. This makes it difficult to breath making him break the guard.

How is that for an answer for you????

Now on with the sash levels you were talking about. Yes I know rank systems are not traditional part of kung fu. It's more of a western thing due to marketing. Most people like to mark thier progression and this is the easiest way to do so.

[TigerClaw]

... If those fail and the atacker takes her to the ground then here is what I would suggest. If the attacker is in the mount position (him sitting on top of her waist) then she should first pull him close to her body. To do this she should reach with both hand and grab behind his neck and pull him down. This shouldn;t be hard because he's probably wanting to get close to her anyways. Now she takes her foot and crosses it over his ankle and places it on the inside of his foot by his ankle, then using leverage (not strength) grab the shoulder on the same side you hooked your foot on and pull him to that side causing her to reverse the positioning and her being in his guard. From there she can do whatever she needs to do to escape (bite, eye guage, etc...) . It is easier to do these things from this position then what you were trying to tell people to do. This counter to the mount takes NO strength what-so-ever. Easy as pie. I've had girls that way 100 pounds be able to do this move. I believe this tecknique is called an elevator. I might be wrong on the name of this tech. but thats how you get out of it when someone has mounted you.

By the way this is similar to one of the techniques I also teach. We even cross the foot over the ankle as well and grab the shoulder or arm and pull.But we may ad a groin strike or eye gouge in as we do it. So what are you talking about? As I have said before I have only shown a few techniques that I teach. The problem is that some assume that I don't teach more and then they make errors in judging me.

And I showed another technique on the DL before involving locking of the wrist and putting the pother person on their back giving you the dominant position. So what are you talking about? But your escape is is a basic move, I also teach similar to it.

But you proved my main point, you mentioned etc gouges, biting etc.

By the way there are many other ways to escape the attackers approach to get into a mounted position . Heres a quick one, for example, if he draws in close trying to either hug the woman, or kiss her or he tries to kiss her neck or chest etc. she can quickly do an eye gouge strait in and back, or claw the eyes and lock her one hand behind his head, if he has hair all the better, grab the hair, and the other hand locks his chin, and twist the head and chin to the side hard as you shift your body to a side position (one leg goes up locks over the ankle and you push up with the pelvis and turn. this will give the woman a dominant position and as he is holding his eyes and yelling she can run or attack the groin. etc. There are so many others. So what are you talking about when you say what I teach doesn't work. It does.

If you try to say that what I teach doesn't work then you have to attack your own techniques. But mine have a kung Fu flavour to them and apply many kung fu techinques in doing them.

[Ben Grimm]

How did I know you were going to say that? Stop stealing from JD. Oxygen thieving LARPer.

[JadeDragon]

TigerClaw...I didn't say that biting, eye guaging, etc... wouldn't work. I was saying that in the position you were in showing it being done at would not work.

[JadeDragon]

How did I know you were going to say that? Stop stealing from JD. Oxygen thieving LARPer.

Thanks Ben.

[TigerClaw]

TigerClaw...I didn't say that biting, eye guaging, etc... wouldn't work. I was saying that in the position you were in showing it being done at would not work.

What position is that? All the positions I showed work fine.

[Ben Grimm]

Anytime JD.