dangers of flakey teachers and the rise of internet fu

[ViolentByDesign]

TigerClaw. You are invited to the party in my pants.

[Tom Yum]

What position is that? All the positions I showed work fine.

Starting off with backward riding cowgurl flipping over to side laying position...

[Ben Grimm]

ROTFLMAO! I thnk I just busted something.

[chafe]

Anyways...how do you spot flakey teachers?

[jubaji]

First step, see if their screen name is TigerClaw...

[chafe]

Clever, I'm sure, but not helpful.

[jubaji]

You have to think about it...

[Ben Grimm]

You'll see in due time. Just read his previous posts.

[chafe]

I'm not so worried about the "internet fu" part. It's the finding of a good, reputable martial arts school that I'm worried about. I live in a small community; very little martial arts are availible, even fewer belonging to martial art school chains. So about half of them say "blah blah school" taught by master "blah!" who received their "blah" rank in nineteen ninety "blah," but they don't necessarily say who taught them or where.
Does that mean they're not legit? Maybe, but how do you spot the frauds from the real deal?

[TigerClaw]

I'm not so worried about the "internet fu" part. It's the finding of a good, reputable martial arts school that I'm worried about. I live in a small community; very little martial arts are availible, even fewer belonging to martial art school chains. So about half of them say "blah blah school" taught by master "blah!" who received their "blah" rank in nineteen ninety "blah," but they don't necessarily say who taught them or where.
Does that mean they're not legit? Maybe, but how do you spot the frauds from the real deal?

When you talk about frauds you have to be specific what you mean by frauds. To me a fraud is someone who has no martial arts ability at all, and they deliberately make things up and they really have no experience.

But if I went to a remote village in lets say, China and I found a man who said he taught his own form of kung fu and I asked him where he learned it and he said, "I leaned my monkey kung fu from watching those monkeys over there when " . You cannot say that man is a fraud, he may have no background in other traditional martial arts, no master except monkeys, no lineage, no other related martial background. And yet he may be able to fight as good as many. There is no fraud there.

If we are to say that such men are frauds then we have to attack the original founders of many styles, they learned by watching animals and by practicing their style on others and developing their own style etc etc etc.

Now apply this to, lets say Jeet Kune Do teacher named Bruce Lee. Even though he had traditional Wing Chun etc, he develops his own style and fighting method. That is ok and it is just as legit as many other styles, he may not have as much tradition etc, but he is no fraud. He may have to convince others it works and prove it in order to teach others, but that does not mean it is a fraud.

A fraud as I said before is a man that has no martial skill at all and says he does, or a man that said he learned from monks etc and he didn't, or a man that says he is a grandmaster at , lets say a Wing Chun style and he is not, etc.

But when it comes right down to it, any man on earth can punch a bag for a few hours work out one or two techniques and teach others what he had learned. He is no fraud if he is honest about his experience, if anyone thinks he can teach them they can learn from him, if not then they can ignore him.

When you get right down to it however, even instructors like my self who have many years in traditional Kung Fu develop techniques from their learning that are unique to them, I would have to say that every single instructor on the planet does this and we can surely say that no two men will fight the same or use the same techniques etc, or even the way they teach a traditional form of Kung fu. Although they will still teach the same forms in certain styles. But, they are all developing and teaching and learning different things from the traditions they learn, even though they may teach the foundational forms etc they will apply them infinitely. That is no fraud. The fraud part comes when they do not have any experience and say they do.

But as bad as frauds are, there are also others that are equally as bad, and they are those that lie about others who really do have traditional kung fu roots and they say they don't.

[Ben Grimm]

If you're referring to me, I have traditional and non-traditional roots. But my teacher is legitimate.Some members on DL have actually met him. Unlike you and your "teachers." LARPer.

[TigerClaw]

If you're referring to me, I have traditional and non-traditional roots. But my teacher is legitimate.Some members on DL have actually met him. Unlike you and your "teachers." LARPer.

My last post wasn't talking about to you specifically.

But post your school here your name of teachers and lineage, and you doing even one technique or a stance in Wing Chun.

And don't try to say that I want to steal it for my own.

[Ben Grimm]

That coming from a man who can't even post his own lineage. Hahahahahaha!

[jubaji]

But if I went to a remote village in lets say, China and I found a man who said he taught his own form of kung fu and I asked him where he learned it and he said, "I leaned my monkey kung fu from watching those monkeys over there when " . You cannot say that man is a fraud.

Yes, you can. And he and you would be laughed at and written off there just as you are here for that kind of nonsense.

[Ben Grimm]

Shaw Brothers films.... I think I've seen that one, but I can't remember the name of it. It was such a long time ago, about some guy learning Monkey style from watching monkeys. TigerClaw, can you tell me? Hahahahaha