The importance of stances

[mellow]

Of course, although this will condition your legs none of it has anything to do with fighting effectively.

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[TigerClaw]

I don't feel like repeating myself, but I go into my experience in depth here:

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/c...u-anymore.html

All your reasons are meaningless. They sound like a student who may have gone for a couple of years, and gave up. Kung Fu takes many years to master. When mastered it is a whole different thing. You have no real idea what you are talking about, in my opinion. One of my masters fought very hard when sparing and often there would be injuries and blood. We learned to fight against resistance as do many, good Kung Fu schools. But you don't seem to realize that the forms you learn in the excellent style of Hung Gar are like an alphabet. You learn the basic letters first then you put words together then sentences etc etc etc. The forms have techniques and postures that allow you to move in any direction, if you mix it up and combine the techniques for defense. Even in lam sai Wings book about the tiger crane and other forms he will often talk of applications mixing the techniques from the form. This is the heart of the form fighting, to be able to make your own forms at any moment. To do this you need to learn the basic moves very well, then you can flow from any position.

And when sparing you need to concentrate on certain techniques that you have been trying to develope, and make it work for you. practice until it works.

There are also two man sparring sets that need to be practiced for many years. I have not heard you mention this. these sets teach you how to fight in stances and with the techniques.
In the Seven Star Praying mantis style that I know there are many two man forms.

I could not disagree with you more.

You as, many others, did not have the patience to build a strong foundation, you build it on sand, so the house falls as soon as a small wave comes in to the shore.

This is how I see it anyway. You also may not have had a good instructor. he may not have taught you two man sparring sets or some of the principles I speak of in the forms.

By the way Hung Gar Kung Fu has a long history and application and effectiveness against resistant attackers.

[mellow]

All your reasons are meaningless. They sound like a student who may have gone for a couple of years, and gave up. Kung Fu takes many years to master. When mastered it is a whole different thing. You have no real idea what you are talking about, in my opinion. One of my masters fought very hard when sparing and often there would be injuries and blood. We learned to fight against resistance as do many, good Kung Fu schools. But you don't seem to realize that the forms you learn in the excellent style of Hung Gar are like an alphabet. You learn the basic letters first then you put words together then sentences etc etc etc. The forms have techniques and postures that allow you to move in any direction, if you mix it up and combine the techniques for defense. Even in lam sai Wings book about the tiger crane and other forms he will often talk of applications mixing the techniques from the form. This is the heart of the form fighting, to be able to make your own forms at any moment. To do this you need to learn the basic moves very well, then you can flow from any position.

And when sparing you need to concentrate on certain techniques that you have been trying to develope, and make it work for you. practice until it works.

There are also two man sparring sets that need to be practiced for many years. I have not heard you mention this. these sets teach you how to fight in stances and with the techniques.
In the Seven Star Praying mantis style that I know there are many two man forms.

I could not disagree with you more.

You as, many others, did not have the patience to build a strong foundation, you build it on sand, so the house falls as soon as a small wave comes in to the shore.

This is how I see it anyway. You also may not have had a good instructor. he may not have taught you two man sparring sets or some of the principles I speak of in the forms.

By the way Hung Gar Kung Fu has a long history and application and effectiveness against resistant attackers.

I just want to clarify something. Do you advocate fighting in the same low, deep stances that you train in class?

[TigerClaw]

I just want to clarify something. Do you advocate fighting in the same low, deep stances that you train in class?

Yes every technique, in Hung Gar, Choy Li Fut, Seven Star Praying mantis, snake style etc will work in combat, if practiced to mastery.

There is a saying that is something like this when you practice a technique 1000 times you really don't know what you are doing, 2000 times you are beginning to understand the basics, 3000 times you at least know what you are doing. But if you practice a technique to mastery, it will work for you most of the time.

One of my instructors used to say that you may only master 5 techniques in a life time that you will use most of the time. And to master a style takes a lifetime. But for those who have mastered it, I mean really mastered it against resistant fighters it will work for them. Many in the west have not seen this before and they are very unfamiliar with what I am talking about.

Also, we do not have to be so low in stances all the time. Some stances and styles are higher in the stance. other techniques are lower for a lower centre of gravity and stability. But if your legs get strong, you can move in a low stance like floating on air. Try not to bob up and down when shifting in stances, stay the same height and don't telegraph your weight distribution.

[jubaji]

Spoken like a LARPer who has never been in a real fight in his life.

[TigerClaw]

Spoken like a LARPer who has never been in a real fight in his life.

Wrong again as usual.

I know that you just give out your little mocks to provoke people and get them into an argument.

You are a sad little man.

[jubaji]

Wrong again.

You're not fooling anyone, LARPer.

[mellow]

Yes ever technique, in Hung Gar, Choy Li Fut, Seven Star Praying mantis, snake style etc will work in combat, if practiced to mastery.

There is a saying that is something like this when you practice a technique 1000 times you really don't know what you are doing, 2000 times you are beginning to understand the basics, 3000 times you at least know what you are doing. But if you practice a technique to mastery, it will work for you most of the time.

One of my instructors used to say that you may only master 5 techniques in a life time that you will use most of the time. And to master a style takes a lifetime. But for those who have mastered it, I mean really mastered it against resistant fighters it will work for them. Many in the west have not seen this before and they are very unfamiliar with what I am talking about.

Also, we do not have to be so low in stances all the time. Some stances and styles are higher in the stance. other techniques are lower for a lower centre of gravity and stability. But if your legs get strong, you can move in a low stance like floating on air. Try not to bob up and down when shifting in stances, stay the same height and don't telegraph your weight distribution.

Oh, well you are on your own then . . . . . .

[TigerClaw]

Oh, well you are on your own then . . . . . .

No, there are many Kung Fu practitioners worldwide. And all through histroy Kung Fu has been used in combat and war and has been very effective. Like I have said before, I believe, after having studied for a while and examined other fighting styles also as well as MMA type fighting, that Kung Fu is one of the most advanced fighting systems on the planet, with centuries of development and actual combat experience.

It looks like those who neglect Kung Fu are ignoring a vast resource of fighting techniques and powerful styles of combat fighting.

And i am not talking about David Carridine in that show Kung Fu, with his irritating movements. And I am not talking about Bruce Lee, who I enjoy watching.

[Sagacious Lu]

All your reasons are meaningless.

Did you even bother to read what I wrote? If you did are you saying that we should all be learning to use fans as weapon? Please explain how the fan is still a relevant weapon, and why today, in 2009, we need to practice it. Do you walk around with a fan that's made of blades everywhere you go? When you get done with that I'd like know when, in everyday life, you will need to know how to use a three sectioned staff. I won't bother talking about how assinine it is to try and fight from low traditional kung fu stances because the only way you're going to change your mind is if you actually try them in some real fights. Your opponent(s) will be convincing in a way that my posts never could be...

[TigerClaw]

Did you even bother to read what I wrote? If you did are you saying that we should all be learning to use fans as weapon? Please explain how the fan is still a relevant weapon, and why today, in 2009, we need to practice it. Do you walk around with a fan that's made of blades everywhere you go? When you get done with that I'd like know when, in everyday life, you will need to know how to use a three sectioned staff. I won't bother talking about how assinine it is to try and fight from low traditional kung fu stances because the only way you're going to change your mind is if you actually try them in some real fights. Your opponent(s) will be convincing in a way that my posts never could be...

I am not talking about weapons specifically, when I have fought I used low and medium height stances and they work very well. Just because this is foreign to you, does not mean it is not right and the way to fight in Kung Fu.

As far as weapons go, if a person learns the staff or swords they may find similar weapons around in attacks, like a pole or short stick etc.

[Sagacious Lu]

I am not talking about weapons specifically, when I have fought I used low and medium height stances and they work very well. Just because this is foreign to you, does not mean it is not right and the way to fight in Kung Fu.

They aren't foreign to me at all, I've spent countless hours practicing traditional stances. I'm speaking from experience when I tell you that you can't fight from them; not you, not me, not Wong Fei Hong. You're either lying or you've never been in a fight.

As far as weapons go, if a person learns the staff or swords they may find similar weapons around in attacks, like a pole or short stick etc.

I didn't ask about swords or staffs, I asked about the fan and the three sectioned staff for a reason. It's pretty sad that you'd rather duck my question than admit that these aren't the most practical of weapons. I think you ignored the thread I pointed out to you. Frankly I don't think you're willing to consider the points I made there because you're too busy living in a fantasy world where fights look like they do in the movies. You just disregard anything that threatens your day dreams.

[TigerClaw]

[QUOTE=Sagacious Lu;317952]They aren't foreign to me at all, I've spent countless hours practicing traditional stances. I'm speaking from experience when I tell you that you can't fight from them; not you, not me, not Wong Fei Hong. You're either lying or you've never been in a fight.

You are very wrong, perhaps you cannot fight from them, but I can easily, and so could Wong Fei Hung Lam sai Wing , and every other well trained shaolin monk of ancient times.

You do not really seem to understand kung fu by your answers. What style do you practice again, and what Kung Fu styles had you practiced? if it was Hung Gar you most likely did not practice it for more than a couple of years. Your talk sounds like a very , very inexperienced fighter, or someone who has a brawling fighting style.

[Sagacious Lu]

You are very wrong, perhaps you cannot fight from them, but I can easily, and so could Wong Fei Hung Lam sai Wing , and every other well trained shaolin monk of ancient times.

You are a fraud and a liar.

What style do you practice again, and what Kung Fu styles had you practiced? if it was Hung Gar you most likely did not practice it for more than a couple of years.

You already asked me that in post # 14, and I answered you in post # 15. All you have to do is click on the link and read the thread.

[TigerClaw]

You are a fraud and a liar.



You already asked me that in post # 14, and I answered you in post # 15. All you have to do is click on the link and read the thread.

I am not a fraud or a liar, show me exactly what you mean when you lie about me?

and I see from your Hung gar training that you know very little about kung fu. You cannot paint with such a broad brush against all Kung Fu as you seem to do.

You know very little it seems, very little. And your attack on Kung Fu falls to the ground..