Can BJJ work in a real fight??????

[TigerClaw]

If you are attacked by two or more attackers would you want to wrestle them on the ground?

In a combative situation would you want to wrestle them on the ground???

I have read articles from other Masters who have taught the military and they say you do not want to do this, wrestle on the ground. you want to make the situation end as fast as you can, and that involves striking the vital areas.

So are many young men being confused about REAL combat fighting by what they see on TV as the ULTIMATE fighting and the BJJ type fighting also.

I believe that BJJ has many techniques that are good and it is a fighting style. I am just wondering about the wrestling aspect on the ground in a REAL fight.

Kung Fu on the other hand is very effective in a REAL fight.

[pstevens]

Tiger, Tiger, Tiger… Are you really as gullible as you make yourself out to be, or are you just in denial… Either way, let me amuse you.

If you are attacked by two or more attackers would you want to wrestle them on the ground?

In a combative situation would you want to wrestle them on the ground???

No and no. I can’t speak for all grappling arts, but I will share my perspective from BJJ. BJJ consists of 3 areas of training: sport, sport fighting and self-defense.

Sport BJJ involves being in a range where one would be brutally Koed in the cage or street. However, the objective here is to get superior positioning or a submission; strikes are not allowed. Also, in Gi matches, there’s an over reliance on control of the kimono and pants. Not so much in No Gi matches. In these types of sporting events, it’s not unusual for participants to attempt takedowns and even jump to guard. After all, it’s a sport and not a life or death situation.

Sport Fighting BJJ refers to BJJ as a discipline used in MMA. In contrast to pure Sport BJJ, this area excludes all the fancy sweeps and techniques that utilize the gi and being in mid-range. The objective has changed to using BJJ as a method of setting up superior position to punish your opponent; either with strikes or smothering his progression. You can also set up submissions. Here, some techniques can transfer to street fighting, but not all.

Self-defense BJJ involves principles and strategies for specific behaviors and attacks exhibited by your attacker. Many of these defense maneuvers are from a standing position, since most altercations occur while standing. However, most people aren’t aware of these techniques, because they’re not as popular as the sport and sport fighting techniques displayed all over the Internet and on television. Yet, they do exist and most BJJ guys past white belt know them.

As a side note, I want to clarify that BJJ ground fighting is a method used to counter your default position on the ground. It’s there for when you find yourself taken to the ground either by surprise or unwillingly. From here, you at least have a point of reference. You can use your BJJ to get back up, reverse or even submit; depending on the situation. At no time does BJJ teach one to engage multiple attackers on the ground. This is a puzzle that few people have ever solved, let alone styles.

I have read articles from other Masters who have taught the military and they say you do not want to do this, wrestle on the ground.

The military regularly contracts many forms of martial arts into their training, with the full understanding that it may or may not have relevance. Their primary purpose is to motivate their soldiers through rigorous training and discipline; which martial arts helps mold.

At our BJJ academy, there is a program designed for ROTC men and women. Other BJJ academies, including the Gracies have such programs in place. The point being, the military is interested in “live” training where soldiers must understand how to behave should they be taken to the ground.

you want to make the situation end as fast as you can, and that involves striking the vital areas.

What you want to do and what you can actually do are sometimes worlds apart. Obviously, everyone wants to end the situation quickly. However, in BJJ you’re taught to react and use the opponent’s actions against him. It’s almost akin to tai chi on the ground.

So are many young men being confused about REAL combat fighting by what they see on TV as the ULTIMATE fighting and the BJJ type fighting also.

The only people who are confused are wannabe martial artists who are interested in the latest fad. But it’s alright if they remain confused, because they lack the comprehension and commitment to learn what is real and what is not.

I believe that BJJ has many techniques that are good and it is a fighting style. I am just wondering about the wrestling aspect on the ground in a REAL fight.

No you don’t, otherwise you wouldn’t have devised an obvious ploy to counter the “can kung-fu work in a real fight” thread.

Kung Fu on the other hand is very effective in a REAL fight.

You’ve yet to prove this point. Go back to the "can kung-fu work in a real fight" thread.

[jubaji]

I wonder why tigerclown felt compelled to start this thread? Could it be that he just couldn't do without another opportunity to display his LARPing prowess?

[Sagacious Lu]

Why would you put a thread about BJJ in the CMA forum? BJJ is a brazilian style that was developed from a japanese style- there's nothing chinese about it.

[TigerClaw]

Why would you put a thread about BJJ in the CMA forum? BJJ is a brazilian style that was developed from a japanese style- there's nothing chinese about it.

I just wanted those BJJ guys that come into CMA site and attack us to consider this.

[Sagacious Lu]

I just wanted those BJJ guys that come into CMA site and attack us to consider this.

Then go to the BJJ forum and tell them there.

[Ben Grimm]

Fucking incompetent LARPing TigerClown.

[TigerClaw]

Then go to the BJJ forum and tell them there.

I want to pose this thought to the CMA men as well as others.

I quoted a master who teaches the military in one post a while ago, who said he was appauled at some of them learning Jujistsu and rolling around on the ground. He said in combat you must go for the vital areas and do so quickly. You don't want to roll on the ground.

Anyway, some of the experts seem to agree with what i have ben saying.

Not that Ground fighting is not helpful. It is good to learn how to escape from any situation. But in my opinion, (and yes we are allowed to have our own opinions), I am not interested at this time in delving headlong into study of BJJ. But having said that I will still continue to learn whatever I can from all styles. If I can apply them combatively.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Everybody always assumes the guy has friends waiting in the darkness, what if he doesn't have friends .

Multiple opponents will trump a single person any day regardless of style.

[Ben Grimm]

Unless you're TigerClown and his Kung Fu

[TigerClaw]

Unless you're TigerClown and his Kung Fu

Most of "MY KUNG FU". Is not mine, is stems way back to the founders of each style, such as Hung Gar , Northern Shaolin, White Crane, Choy Li Fut, Seven Star Praying Mantis etc etc etc.

My Kung Fu, is what I have developed from each of these systems. I have considered developing my own style and documenting all the techniques. But it would be a massive work and take up a lot of time.

[pstevens]

Everybody always assumes the guy has friends waiting in the darkness, what if he doesn't have friends .

Multiple opponents will trump a single person any day regardless of style.

Not to mention the glass shards all over the ground, the hard cement with large cracks that haven't been paved, the hidden weapons in everyone's pockets, secret deadly styles everyone's been practicing, eye gouges, fish hooks and groin attacks that everyone practices to precision all the time; I wonder why any of us bother to practice grappling arts like BJJ.

[pstevens]

I quoted a master who teaches the military in one post a while ago, who said he was appauled at some of them learning Jujistsu and rolling around on the ground. He said in combat you must go for the vital areas and do so quickly. You don't want to roll on the ground..

Let me guess… This master always succeeds in striking opponents in vital areas, immobilizing them; he can jump rooftops, send chi through his eyes and knows the deadliest of deadly techniques. In fact, I’m too afraid to mention he might know the “delayed death touch.”

[jubaji]

I have considered developing my own style and documenting all the techniques.

LOL! I'll just be you have...

[JadeDragon]

TigerClaw.....Have you picked up an issue of Inside Kung Fu lately? Even kung fu magazines are jumping on the BJJ bandwagon. There is a monthly colomn called the Gracie Lagacy written by Rorion Gracie. In this months issue there are several grappling articles. Check it out.