Misconceptions of kung fu practitioners

[JadeDragon]

This topic that I'm about to write about has come up in several threads. The topic deals with the kung fu practitioners ability to fight. Specifically against a grappler. Kung fu has many different hand strikes that are intended for different targets on the human body. For example, a leopard paw is aimed at soft tissue areas. Tiger claw is used mainly to the face. Etc... Etc...

The misconcption is that we kung fu practitioners only know how to use these crazy hand strikes and that we only go for vital areas such as the eyes, throat, temple, etc..... This is NOT true. We KF practitioners can fight just like all other styles. We do know how to backfist, throw hook punches, uppercuts, front jab, reverse punch, side kick, front kick, roundhouse kick, etc.... Some KF practitioners even cross train in other things such as grappling. I myself have wrestled and taken some BJJ lessons. Those are not my method of choice for fighting but I have that knowledge if I have to draw apon it. I'd rather fight standing up. Thats what I'm used to and what I'm best at. Not that my ground game is bad. Part of this misconception that MMA people have is that we KF people would not be able to poke someones eyes or smash someone's ear. When a fight goes to the ground it is fairly easy to get to these targets due to the fact that the attacker is right on top of you staring you in the face. Next time you MMA guys are in the gym and your rolling around on the mat with another guy just for the heck of it try and see how easy it is to poke an eye or strike the throat. It's a lot easier than you think. ALTHOUGH I'M WRITING ABOUT THESE TYPE STRIKES REMEMBER, WE DO KNOW HOW TO FIGHT WITHOUT HAVING TO SOLEY RELY ON STRIKING VITAL TARGETS.

[jubaji]

When a fight goes to the ground it is fairly easy to get to these targets .

Fairly easy for whoever can control the position. A fairly bad idea for the person who cannot.

[JadeDragon]

Fairly easy for whoever can control the position. A fairly bad idea for the person who cannot.

Positioning has very little to do with it. You can attack the eyes, throat, temple, or groin, etc... from just about any position weather your in the guard, on your back, have the side mount, north/south position or just about any other position. If you don't believe me try it next time your grappling. As long as your hands are free and your thinking rationally these strikes to these area will work. I don't understand why some people doubt this. Try it for yourself if you don't believe it.

[JadeDragon]

Another tactic that works well when grappling is biting. If you don't believe me ask Mike Tyson or Evander Holyfield.

[jubaji]

Positioning has very little to do with it.

You fail. Thanks for playing.

[USArmyBJJ]

Positioning has very little to do with it. You can attack the eyes, throat, temple, or groin, etc... from just about any position weather your in the guard, on your back, have the side mount, north/south position or just about any other position. If you don't believe me try it next time your grappling. As long as your hands are free and your thinking rationally these strikes to these area will work. I don't understand why some people doubt this. Try it for yourself if you don't believe it.

I have to disagree with you here. I'll make you a deal. I'll try your test tonight at practice, and you in turn, try this one. Here it is:

Get your buddy (BJJ, Kung Fu, random dude, whatever) and have him mount you. That is, have him sit on your chest, with his knees straddling both sides, his weight on top of you. Now, you extend your arms and try (or feign or whatever) to gouge his eyes and have him extend his hands and see who has the better leverage, reach, and power while doing it. Also, see who is better able to move their head away and prevent the gouge. Let us know the results of the experiment. Even better, video tape it and show everyone!

[KenshiRyan]

Positioning has very little to do with it.

God...somebody please stop him.

[KenshiRyan]

The misconcption is that we kung fu practitioners only know how to use these crazy hand strikes and that we only go for vital areas such as the eyes, throat, temple, etc.....

No.

The misconception has been, that kung fu fighters can beat any mma fighter because mma fighters dont train vital strikes. stop acting like you guys are the poor victims.

[JadeDragon]

I have to disagree with you here. I'll make you a deal. I'll try your test tonight at practice, and you in turn, try this one. Here it is:

Get your buddy (BJJ, Kung Fu, random dude, whatever) and have him mount you. That is, have him sit on your chest, with his knees straddling both sides, his weight on top of you. Now, you extend your arms and try (or feign or whatever) to gouge his eyes and have him extend his hands and see who has the better leverage, reach, and power while doing it. Also, see who is better able to move their head away and prevent the gouge. Let us know the results of the experiment. Even better, video tape it and show everyone!

Yes I know what the mount is, but thank you for the lesson on how to do the mount.

When someone has mounted you pull them down close to you by by grabbing around their neck. This makes them closer to you allowing you better reach to their vital areas on the face. How hard really is it to poke their eyes, come on, lets be real. It very easy. You see fighters pulling their opponent close to them all the time on television.

[JadeDragon]

No.

The misconception has been, that kung fu fighters can beat any mma fighter because mma fighters dont train vital strikes. stop acting like you guys are the poor victims.

And the other misconception is that mma is the "ultimate" fighting style. Stop acting like it is. Remember in the 80's people thought that ninjutsu was the "ultimate" fighting art? You saw what happened there, right? It pretty much vanished. MMA won't vanish but hopfully people will stop jumping on a bandwagon fad and come to their senses that there is more to fighting than just grappling.

Kenshi......have you not been reading anything that I have said. I'll say it for you one more time. If you don't get it this time maybe you should get "hooked on phonix" I have been saying that a mma person can beat a kung fu person and vice versa. What part of that do you not understand. If you can't understand what I'm saying maybe you should go back to what ever country your from. I never said kung fu was superior. I'm just stating that kung fu works better for me and if someone know how to properly use their knowledge of kung fu techniques it CAN work. Thats all I'm saying. Sorry if it hurts your feeling but get over it.

[mellow]

Come on now. Eye gouges, fish hooks, etc, are not pieces of Krytonite that will magically weaken and lay helpless someone attacking you with any kind of real intent. At best it might buy you a few seconds, but do you really want to piss off somebody who's in position to rain down all kinds of hurt on you?

CMAs have enough damage to their rep already. You are just adding fuel to the fire.

[USArmyBJJ]

Yes I know what the mount is, but thank you for the lesson on how to do the mount.

I try not to assume what people do and don't know.

When someone has mounted you pull them down close to you by by grabbing around their neck. This makes them closer to you allowing you better reach to their vital areas on the face.

Did you try the experiment? How easy was it for you to grab him by the neck and pull him down while he was gouging your eyes with his thumbs? Did your opponent keep proper posture?

How hard really is it to poke their eyes, come on, lets be real. It very easy. You see fighters pulling their opponent close to them all the time on television.

I don't think you want to look solely at your ability to "poke their eyes." I think you also want to look at the effectiveness of it. Certainly poking someone's eye with the tip of your finger is not as effective as full on jamming your thumbs in there and scraping them out, right?

Who, in your opinion, has the ability to more effectively gouge the eyes? The man in the mount, or the man on the bottom?

Did you try the experiment to test your theories?

[jubaji]

If you don't get it this time maybe you should get "hooked on phonix"

Maybe you should learn how to spell before trying to pull off that joke.

[jubaji]

When someone has mounted you pull them down close to you by by grabbing around their neck.

Oh, you try to improve your position? Where have we heard that before?

[KenshiRyan]

And the other misconception is that mma is the "ultimate" fighting style. Stop acting like it is. Remember in the 80's people thought that ninjutsu was the "ultimate" fighting art? You saw what happened there, right? It pretty much vanished. MMA won't vanish but hopfully people will stop jumping on a bandwagon fad and come to their senses that there is more to fighting than just grappling.

again:

No body here has ever told you "MMA is the ultimate fighting style",

There you go again complaining about something that hasnt happened...
why are you putting yourself through all this trouble defending yourself against something that has not happened?

I never said kung fu was superior.

then why have you backed up tiger claw over and over again when his view is that kung fu is superior to all other arts? dont you think that's a bad idea when your trying to apparently tell us that you dont believe this?