why I left kungfu

[jubaji]

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[Tom Yum]

All CMA guys should train like the MMA guys and there is no argument about that. But there are something that CMA can offer that others don't. there are:

- bridge building concept.
- special designed training equipment.
- power training.
- speed training.
- black hands (illegal moves in sport).
- ...

Bridge building? Sounds like something that's probably not relevant to the tactical aspect of fighting, but please explain.

Special Designed training equipment - ok, so the wooden dummy is unique as are Japanese qishi (weighted sticks).

Power/Speed training? Are you kidding me?? MMA fighter use heavy bags to develop power in their strikes - the kind of power that knocks people out every day. Speed training? Swivel bags, speed bags, sprints, bob and weave drills, 1 sec focus mitt drills. Apparently, you've never trained in MMA.

Black Hands - ok, I can agree with you there. Illegal moves are good.

[csc]

Bridge building? Sounds like something that's probably not relevant to the tactical aspect of fighting, but please explain.

It just like the sword fight that you

- touch your sword on your opponent's sword,
- temporary press his sword to a position that won't threaten you,
- bounce his sword away, and
- move in and attack.

Apparently, you've never trained in MMA.

May be you should look into some traditional CMA training equipment such as:

- single head weight bar,
- double heads weight bar,
- stone lock,
- weight pulley,
- Gon rotation.
- belt cracking,
- pole hanging,
- human flag,
- stick twisting,
- cane bundle twisting,
- cane bundle training,
- huge brick workout,
- single leg uphill hopping with pole,
- square bag throwing,
- long bag training,
- brick twisting,
- basket carrying,
- ...

Power/Speed training? Are you kidding me??

There are some special training methods that existed in CMA long time ago. Today people think that "Kelly Bell" is new idea. It's no different from the "stone lock" that people used to train thousand years ago. Some Judo guy also think that "bicycle tube pulling" is new idea. It's no different from the "weight pulley" that people trained in the ancient time.

Some equipment training that I'm talking about can be seen in the following clips. There are quite unique IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moQ5cBHK2u0&eurl=http://search.yahoo.com/search%3Fp%3Dshuai%2Bjiao%2Btraining%2Bequipment%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501-s%26toggle%3D1%26cop%3Dmss%26ei%3DUT&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3eb740pyiE&feature=related

http://johnswang.com/sc20.wmv

[jubaji]

All CMA guys should train like the MMA guys and there is no argument about that. But there are something that CMA can offer that others don't. there are:

- bridge building concept.
- special designed training equipment.
- power training.
- speed training.
- black hands (illegal moves in sport).
- ...

And you are trying to say that ONLY CMA have these things?

[csc]

And you are trying to say that ONLY CMA have these things?

Can you tell me any MA style on this planet that do this? Can you find any equipment in modern gym that do this?

http://johnswang.com/sc20.wmv

As far as I know, boxing, Karate, Aikido, TKD, MT don't use "bridge building" concept. Please let me know if I'm wrong on this.

[jubaji]

You are wrong on this.

[csc]

You are wrong on this.

http://www.craphound.com/images/xkcdwrongoninternet.jpg

[jubaji]

Well, you asked.

[knifethrower]

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[Tom Yum]

May be you should look into some traditional CMA training equipment such as:

- single head weight bar,
- double heads weight bar,
- stone lock,
- weight pulley,
- Gon rotation.
- belt cracking,
- pole hanging,
- human flag,
- stick twisting,
- cane bundle twisting,
- cane bundle training,
- huge brick workout,
- single leg uphill hopping with pole,
- square bag throwing,
- long bag training,
- brick twisting,
- basket carrying,
- ...

Combat sports use scientific training to take it to the next level. Alot of these ancient ideas were already being used by combat sports practitioners in the past, have been improved upon and are nothing new.

There are some special training methods that existed in CMA long time ago. Today people think that "Kelly Bell" is new idea. It's no different from the "stone lock" that people used to train thousand years ago. Some Judo guy also think that "bicycle tube pulling" is new idea. It's no different from the "weight pulley" that people trained in the ancient time.

Some equipment training that I'm talking about can be seen in the following clips. There are quite unique IMO.

YouTube - Beijing 2008 Martial Arts Training Camp: SHUAI JIAO SPECIAL

YouTube - Shuaijiao Training in Beijing

http://johnswang.com/sc20.wmv

You're right in some senses. The Japanese (and probably Chinese before them) used sticks that had stone or cement weights attached to the ends that were of various weights.

The idea was to condition the wrists, forearms, shoulders and backs to make
practitioners stronger swordsmen and better strikers.

[csc]

edit their throws so that their opponent lands on their head etc.

There is a term for what you have just described. It's called "throwing your opponent half way, or crashing an airplane". To smash the back of your opponent's head on the ground can be very effective in combat. This may be why in boxing that hitting on the back of the head is not allowed.

but is it really even possible to ever train for those destruction techniques.

This is why it may be better to use those special designed training tool (such as a throwing dummy) than to use a life human being. You may still train those moves with caution on your partner. IMO, those destruction techniques are the true treasure in CMA. Unfortunately CMA guys may spend too much time in their solo forms training and put very little effort in their "ability development".

[Bjjexpertise@be]

There is a term for what you have just described. It's called "throwing your opponent half way, or crashing an airplane". To smash the back of your opponent's head on the ground can be very effective in combat. This may be why in boxing that hitting on the back of the head is not allowed.


This is why it may be better to use those special designed training tool (such as a throwing dummy) than to use a life human being. You may still train those moves with caution on your partner. IMO, those destruction techniques are the true treasure in CMA. Unfortunately CMA guys may spend too much time in their solo forms training and put very little effort in their "ability development".

Why is it that I feel like every time someone proves a point on you you sidestep it and try to add something to what someone already said to make yourself feel smart.

[csc]

Actually I was trying to give credit to what Tom Yum had said. Some people like to pick up the difference and argue about it. We can see that happen quite often in the BullShitDo forum or Kung Fu Magazine forum. I like to pick up the agreement and have deeper discuss instead. The world has filled with enough conflict already. There is no need to turn the internet discussion forum into a battle field.

It's better to:

A: My opinion is ...
B: I agree with you 100% there and I also believe that ... (a smart guy).

than to:

A: My opinion is ...
B: You are deadly wrong.
A: Where was I wrong?
B: You have no clue what you are talking about.
A: Like what?
B: Everything you had said.
A: What's your right opinion then?
B: I won't give my valuable opinion away for free (a smart ass).

[jubaji]

= you are full of shit

[kingoftheforest]

= you are full of shit

B: I won't give my valuable opinion away for free (a smart ass)