why I left kungfu

[mellow]

Just wondering. What's your motivation for making yet another "Kung Fu sucks, MMA rulz" thread? And wouldn't this be better in the MMA/BJJ forum?

[TigerClaw]

Just wondering. What's your motivation for making yet another "Kung Fu sucks, MMA rulz" thread? And wouldn't this be better in the MMA/BJJ forum?

I will say this again. (or not)
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[jubaji]

One of my students was practicing on a bag a while ago and a arrogant young man came and watched him and was in a mocking type of attitude. I believe he was more in the MMA crowd. My student is a humble man and does not seek to fight anyone. but this guy was a loudmouth arrogant type, so he attacked him and as he did my student shifted back in stances and deflected his attacks and the man tried a shoot attack on him, he quickly countered and the man was flat on his face, as I remember from what he told me. The man realized that my student had real kung fu training and he was quieter after that and saw the effectivness of kung fu.

The last time you told us this little fairytale it was YOU and not your student who starred in this bad kungfu movie plot.

[mellow]

It was his best post yet until that particular paragraph.

[jubaji]

It was his best post yet...

That's like saying, "it was the best smelling pile of shit ever." It's still shit.

[Tom Yum]

Kung Fu

Here's a simple way of finding a kung fu instructor that you like before spending alot of time and tution in the style.

Visit the school.

Talk to the instructor - what has he done with his style of kung fu? Who does he teach?

If he teaches out of a mall and his students are vastly overweight, lots of soccer moms, has slow, telegraphing movements, doing things that you know a boxer with 3 months of experience could destroy - thank him for his time and leave.

If his students come from a variety of backgrounds or primarily security/military backgrounds - demonstrates economy of motion, makes every move count (or as deception, progressive indirect attack, attack by combination) and he's used his kung fu before (you can tell by rolling with him and talking with him) - you know he's legit.

Chances are he's really into his trade craft and loves nothing more than to work at it - so he's probably mixing with his students and loves training.

If the head instructor-head master is too busy to see you (assuming he isn't teaching class) walk out.

[kingoftheforest]

here's a simple way of finding a kung fu instructor that you like before spending alot of time and tution in the style.

Visit the school.

Talk to the instructor - what has he done with his style of kung fu? Who does he teach?

If he teaches out of a mall and his students are vastly overweight, lots of soccer moms, has slow, telegraphing movements, doing things that you know a boxer with 3 months of experience could destroy - thank him for his time and leave.

If his students come from a variety of backgrounds or primarily security/military backgrounds - demonstrates economy of motion, makes every move count (or as deception, progressive indirect attack, attack by combination) and he's used his kung fu before (you can tell by rolling with him and talking with him) - you know he's legit.

Chances are he's really into his trade craft and loves nothing more than to work at it - so he's probably mixing with his students and loves training.

If the head instructor-head master is too busy to see you (assuming he isn't teaching class) walk out.

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[Sagacious Lu]

This sounds extremely similar to my own experience, and is absolutely in line from what I've seen from other schools. Actually, it describes one of the better kung fu schools that you're likely to find; certainly light years ahead of a strip mall McKwan. The problems outlined are not the result of a crappy teacher and sub-par school, IMHO they're indicative of the mind set and goals that are common to the vast majority of kung fu schools.

[Tant01]

and again...

I will say this again. ......

...and again and again!

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...and again and again!

[kiddbjj]

mellow - I never said kung fu sucks, mma rules however I have stated (in a respectful way and based on my experiences) that imo kung fu would be a lesser option for someone who wants to learn how to fight when compared to other styles such as the combat sports.

If you want excellent fitness, grace, coordination and a source of comraderie amongst othe likeminded people then kung fu is excellent. But its simply not the fastest or most effective means to learn to fight.

Sagacious Lu, thanks for the input. I know you have seen the light with regards to what I am trying to say.

Kung fu is incredibly multi-dimensional. Too much so if you try and learn all of it. Yet the diversity is what attracts most people in the beginning, myself included.

[kiddbjj]

case in point:
YouTube - Sanshou China Course

when kung fu people actually focus on becoming fighters and training the high percentage techniques the results are impressive and practical.

[TigerClaw]

Here's a simple way of finding a kung fu instructor that you like before spending alot of time and tution in the style.
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Chances are he's really into his trade craft and loves nothing more than to work at it - so he's probably mixing with his students and loves training.

Hey, sounds like me. I always talk to new students and share things with them, I invite them to defend against an attack that I do towards them. they are overcome and I show them other aspects of the style. Usually after sharing and mixing it up, they are convinced. The biggest problem with new students, is not the convincing, but the discipline and hard work that follows. Some cannot handle it.

I would say that there are many reasons for getting into Kung Fu. But if some just want to get a bit of exercise and learn a few self defense techniques, I think they won't go far.

[DaleDugas]

Bruce/Tigerclaw

You have been banned three times by the powers that be and you are still posting.

You sir are not honorable in the least.

If you were like you claim you said, you would take what the powers that be give you and move on.

but you slink around and keep posting.

mouthboxing fraud

[Tant01]

Thanks (A LOT!)

Bruce/Tigerclaw

You have been banned three times by the powers that be and you are still posting.

You sir are not honorable in the least.

If you were like you claim you said, you would take what the powers that be give you and move on.

but you slink around and keep posting.

mouthboxing fraud

LOL Thanks for pointing out my incompetence...

Can't even keep a lid on my trash can.

[ggg214]

one more person who thinks the kung fu is a waste of time.
i should admit that there are so many fake kung fu masters. they are just making money instead of teaching kung fu.
but at the time when you question whether kung fu is efficient or not, do you ask yourself how much time and energy you put in it? 2 hours once, 3 times a week?that's far from enough.
let me tell you that my master have trained the Xin Yi Liu He for over 39 years.until now, he keeps everyday training, 3 hours each day. so now he can easily break your bones and knock you down. last week when we met, he told me that the grand master of this style, Lu Song Gao, seems train the style every minutes, every day, because even when he tried to pick up the chopstiks for dinner, he used the movement of the style.
kung fu is complicated, so it's not easy to reach its requirement. kung fu is also simple in training methods----keep repeating every movement.
i don't want to bring you back to kung fu, i just want to tell you that there is another way to train kung fu, and more efficient. you are not luck, at all.