San Shou

[Sagacious Lu]

San shou is great stuff! I just wish it were more popular.

[Tom Yum]

Its gonna be hard for san shou to compete with other combat sports venues for market share that are already established. Cung Le has done alot to market the sport and has even challenged Chinese middleweight Liu Hailong to a bout - that would be intense. U.S/Vietnamese vs. China theme.

San shou is illegal in certain states as well.

Its going to have more coverage overseas - Europeans love combat sports of all kinds, especially Eastern Europeans.

Africa as well - while that may sound funny, a little demographics research would explain...

Australia? hmmm - still big on K-1 but potential there as well.

[Tom Yum]

Jubaji and TTE, how do wrestlers, more specifically, san shou fighters prepare for the rigors of being slammed/thrown high and hard?

The most I've done was rolling, falling drills on the mat, usually as an excercise before sparring. Our coach demonstrated and watched us go through each fall/roll, gradually going from a higher 'jump' each time.

Jubaji - Care to explain in detail the types of breakfall drills?

TTE, other kinds of body conditioning, that kung fu is famous for?


Note for viewers: do not practice breakfall or conditioning drills unless under the supervision of a qualififed wrestling or gong-fu/sanshou instructor.

[kingoftheforest]

Jubaji and TTE, how do wrestlers, more specifically, san shou fighters prepare for the rigors of being slammed/thrown high and hard?

The most I've done was rolling, falling drills on the mat, usually as an excercise before sparring. Our coach demonstrated and watched us go through each fall/roll, gradually going from a higher 'jump' each time.

Jubaji - Care to explain in detail the types of breakfall drills?

TTE, other kinds of body conditioning, that kung fu is famous for?


Note for viewers: do not practice breakfall or conditioning drills unless under the supervision of a qualififed wrestling or gong-fu/sanshou instructor.

I can tell you we don't practice "break falls" Simply because a proper SJ throw will ruin whatever arm you place down to save yourself.

Ya gotta tuck and roll granny.

[jubaji]

Jubaji and TTE, how do wrestlers, more specifically, san shou fighters prepare for the rigors of being slammed/thrown high and hard?

To tell you the truth, mostly by being thrown high and hard. Most folks who get anywhere with wrestling start when fairly young and over the years you just get thrown a bit harder and higher as your training partners and competitors get better and better you toughen up and develop a sense for it. I remember being told not to try and post an arm out to stop yourself when being thrown (you can imagine why) but not a lot of time was ever spent on "Today we teach you breakfalling!" in my experience. Some of it is common sense and a lot of it is 'taught' by the best teacher of all.

[TTEscrima]

Shuai Chiao isn't much different in theory and concept from other throwing arts but it tends to be executed with a different application and mindset:

Focused aggression and targeted violence set SC apart from the other throwing arts. SC practitioners throw their opponent onto the ground instead of dropping them as you usually see in throwing styles.

Shuai Chiao also seeks to isolate the limbs of the opponent in an effort to limit their ability to use them during breakfalls.

You will tend to see broken limbs and unconscious opponents unless the individual has been trained specifically in Shuai Chiao's breakfalls. SC breakfalls protect the centerline and decrease the chance of broken limbs and knockouts, whereas the typical slapping breakfall usually results in unconsciousness, broken arms, elbows and hands.

[jubaji]

In theory. I've met few SCers who were compatible with similarly experienced judoka in actually pulling off what they intend to.

[Sagacious Lu]

To tell you the truth, mostly by being thrown high and hard. Most folks who get anywhere with wrestling start when fairly young and over the years you just get thrown a bit harder and higher as your training partners and competitors get better and better you toughen up and develop a sense for it. I remember being told not to try and post an arm out to stop yourself when being thrown (you can imagine why) but not a lot of time was ever spent on "Today we teach you breakfalling!" in my experience. Some of it is common sense and a lot of it is 'taught' by the best teacher of all.

This was my experience. My wrestling coach didn't bring it up he just started us on drilling take-downs. By the time anyone got good enough to take someone down with authority everyone was used to hitting the ground.

[Tom Yum]

In theory. I've met few SCers who were compatible with similarly experienced judoka in actually pulling off what they intend to.

Good to know, especially since shuai jiao is not a well known grappling art.

[TTEscrima]

Good to know, especially since shuai jiao is not a well known grappling art.

I'd take that with a grain of salt. The techniques of SC are perfectly legitimate, so anyone claiming different either has no exposure, or they're simply bashing the people practicing the art. Considering the source is also critical. If anything I'd say SJ has more throws that I consider viable in the street than Judo.

This is just more CMA bashing from the same clown as always in spite of the fact he denies he does it.

[Tant01]

Sacrafice throws...

Shuai Chiao isn't much different in theory and concept from other throwing arts but it tends to be executed with a different application and mindset:

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You will tend to see broken limbs and unconscious opponents unless the individual has been trained specifically in Shuai Chiao's breakfalls. SC breakfalls protect the centerline and decrease the chance of broken limbs and knockouts, whereas the typical slapping breakfall usually results in unconsciousness, broken arms, elbows and hands.

When you do things with the intent to inflict serious trauma it's not really "judo" or it's just bad judo. BAD judo...

[kingoftheforest]

When you do things with the intent to inflict serious trauma it's not really "judo" or it's just bad judo. BAD judo...

Bad Judo= Good SC

[TTEscrima]

When you do things with the intent to inflict serious trauma it's not really "judo" or it's just bad judo. BAD judo...

Bad Judo=Good Jujutsu.

[jubaji]

Good to know, especially since shuai jiao is not a well known grappling art.

Maybe because it's not well-known (if you see what I mean).

[jubaji]

I'd take that with a grain of salt. The techniques of SC are perfectly legitimate, so anyone claiming different either has no exposure, or they're simply bashing the people practicing the art. Considering the source is also critical. If anything I'd say SJ has more throws that I consider viable in the street than Judo.

This is just more CMA bashing from the same clown as always in spite of the fact he denies he does it.

No, this is more opinion based on actual experience and not reading translated books in the playhouse in FL. This is based on meeting and training with plenty of SC folks in China and Judoka in Japan as well as other grapplers there and in the US. Everything that threatens your widdle ego isn't "bashing" you pathetic emo fool. I never have and never would say SC is crap or anything of the like. If you could wipe away the tears long enough to pay attention you'd see that I was talking about the relative abilities of actual folks I've met and not the intrinsic value of the arts themselves. You, on the other hand, talk about what you 'think' is 'viable' or 'legitimate.' If you don't like what my experiences have suggested to me, maybe you should get your hairdresser butt out of the playhouse and go have some of your own.



OR, just STFU