Abir Warrior Arts

[kingoftheforest]

So you oncentrate on the tip of the sword when your opponent attacks?

You watch the hands and feet when a kick or punch is thrown?

[Da Pope]

No No thats not the point being made.

The point being made is the speed of the sword and the impracticality of avoiding it without some sword on sword contact.

[kingoftheforest]

No No thats not the point being made.

The point being made is the speed of the sword and the impracticality of avoiding it without some sword on sword contact.

See now here's the ignorance. The question has a lot to do with when you move to avoid the strike.


I think you need to calm down a little and spend less time at the drafting table.

You think the sword point moves faster because it starts further away from the handle. It is still moving at the same speed as the rest of the sword. It's just closer when it starts moving.

[Da Pope]

eh? the tip of the sword IS moving faster than the handle THAT is my point (excuse the pun).

It is moving VERY fast as stated in an earlier post somewhere between 200 and 350 ft/s!!


You can not move your body that fast can you?

[Tokyo Kid]

Ok guys, NOW do you see where I'm coming from?

[Da Pope]

Its very strange.

[kingoftheforest]

eh? the tip of the sword IS moving faster than the handle THAT is my point (excuse the pun).

It is moving VERY fast as stated in an earlier post somewhere between 200 and 350 ft/s!!


You can not move your body that fast can you?

Does the nose of a jet move faster than the cockpit?

[Da Pope]

Oh please KOTF you really need to understand the basic principles of mechanical movement before you try and prove anything.

The angluar velocity of the arm and sword is the same but linear velocity is not and it is the linear velocity that is of the uttmost importance here.

I will allow mellow the pleasure of explaining why that is.

[Da Pope]

Actually I can even think of a case where the angular velocities could be different but will leave this out for the sake of simplicity.

[mellow]

eh? the tip of the sword IS moving faster than the handle THAT is my point (excuse the pun).

It is moving VERY fast as stated in an earlier post somewhere between 200 and 350 ft/s!!


You can not move your body that fast can you?

How fast are your wrists moving DP? The linear velocity of your arms is LESS than the tip of your sword even though the angular velocity may be the same. Hence, there is truth in what both are you are saying. What KOTF is saying is that you have a better chance to react in time if you watch the slower moving part (i.e the hands and arm) as opposed to the sword.

But like I said, moot point. You should think less about blocking and more about cutting down the enemy.

[kingoftheforest]

How fast are your wrists moving DP? The linear velocity of your arms is LESS than the tip of your sword even though the angular velocity may be the same. Hence, there is truth in what both are you are saying. What KOTF is saying is that you have a better chance to react in time if you watch the slower moving part (i.e the hands and arm) as opposed to the sword.

But like I said, moot point. You should think less about blocking and more about cutting down the enemy.

Thanks mellow. I see what you are saying. The wrists being th pivot point.

I was working toward that by asking what part of the sword was being watched.

You saw the reply. DP didn't correlate the two and like my 3 year old just yelled NO No.


Lot of temper tantrums in this thread.

[mellow]

I think you're taking what Kotf is saying and putting in IN context. He's not 100% wrong. But there is parts of his arguments that are just too out there for me to ignore.

Boxing has little to do with it, though I see your point (which by the way is well made, thought out, and realistic). Look up any traditional kendo match on youtube and tell me what you see. Theory in action that run the gamut of avoiding, parrying, and blocking by individuals who are hardly beginners taught by worthless instructors.

The first to attack typically wins in Kendo. The best defense is a good offense, right?

The whole "point" of the argument is that evasion is better than blocking full on force. But, sh** happens so yes, you have to block sometimes.

[kingoftheforest]

The first to attack typically wins in Kendo. The best defense is a good offense, right?

The whole "point" of the argument is that evasion is better than blocking full on force. But, sh** happens so yes, you have to block sometimes.

And you pointed out earlier, if you train properly the block is built in if it's necessary. If not it just becomes an attack.


Otherwise when you are fighting with knives, are you going to block your opponents knife with yours?




But it's good to know we have so many expert "text book" fighters here.

The next time I side step in Kendo class and pop a guy with my shinai I'll be sure to show him DP's mathmatical formula.

So he knows what happened was impossible and he can feel better about himself on paper.

I'm sure people who got shot back while missing at point blank range never die, because you can't miss at point blank right?

[jubaji]

The next time I side step in Kendo class and pop a guy with my shinai I'll be sure to show him DP's mathmatical formula.

???

What sort of kendo class is this?

[Darth Roley]

It seems we have two cowardly individuals here who feel the need to slander and libel both me and my teacher.

You both hide behind the internet and snipe at people, rather than step up and be adults about this.

You post up posts from other sites, claim that Im selling herbal formulas I received from Dr. Painter, and go on and on without once posting up website, contact, or martial arts school information about yourselves.

It seems between the two of you, you do not have once ounce of spine, testicular fortitude, nor plain old guts to publically state who you are while you slander and libel others.

I find that rather pathetic.

KOTF has never met my teacher yet takes other peoples word that he is what they say they are. KOTF you are a poor excuse of an intelligent human in doing so.

Keep hiding gentlemen. Or you can post up where you teach, live, and let people come to you and see if you can actually cash all these checks your mouths are writing.

I make myself known, as well as accountable for my actions on the internet. I sign my posts with my real name and contact information. That is what a real man does.

Good luck with life, gentlemen, the two of you are seriously go to need it.

I have seen some pretty pathetic rants on internet message boards, but this has to be in the top ten.

I really hate the whole "face me/my teacher or I will call you a coward" routine. When called on it (example- Ashida Kim) the folks that were screaming for a meet never seem to show up.

The internet is a forum of words and logic. If you can make a logical argument using facts instead of screaming please try to do so. As it is, you are just making yourself and your teacher look bad to anyone with half a brain.