Abir Warrior Arts

[LuohanFist]

I see you're very concerned about his lineage, and the fact he may be involved in profiting from martial arts nonsense, I applaud that!!

However it really raises an interesting point, it appears that much like Tokyo Kid we're going to be losing you to your battle for truth in martial arts advertising.

It was pointed out to me that YOU have your own webpage and its chock full of videos and herbs from Dale Dugas, student of DR, Capt, Ranger Biff Painter (one of the MOST laughable lineages out there).

YouTube - Using intent in Jiulong Baguazhang

Maybe your little war on profiting from Martial BS ought to start at home.

Hey TTE.

I'm not a student of Dr. Painter, or Dale.
I tried Dale's herbs and they worked for me. His iron palm program works for me. Hence, I recommend it. I respect Dale as a person and a martial artist, but have no idea about their lineage, nor do I claim to.

For myself, I never made claims of any kind of lineage or mysterious long lost training. I'd say my issue has more to do with blatant bullshit on the part of the man in the video, which I can easily disprove based on personal knowlege, so I feel your point is somewhat moot.


Now this guy is making claims about something I am blatantly familiar with on a personal level. As such, I feel like I can comment on it's invalidity with certainty. Is this logic flawed?

[TTEscrima]

Tribes are.
Tribal martial arts aren't.
I believe the whole point here was tribal martial arts mentioned in the Torah as a source of that particular martial art?

I see you're very concerned about his lineage, and the fact he may be involved in profiting from martial arts nonsense, I applaud that!!

However it really raises an interesting point, it appears that much like Tokyo Kid we're going to be losing you to your battle for truth in martial arts advertising.

It was pointed out to me that YOU have your own webpage and its chock full of videos and herbs from Dale Dugas, student of DR, Capt, Ranger Biff Painter (one of the MOST laughable lineages out there).

YouTube - Using intent in Jiulong Baguazhang

Maybe your little war on profiting from Martial BS ought to start at home.

[kingoftheforest]

You know the history of the Jews. Do you think they have no MA's?

[LuohanFist]

The twelve tribes aren't mentioned in the Torah?

Tribes are.
Tribal martial arts aren't. Not mentioned anywhere, in fact.

I believe the whole point here was tribal martial arts mentioned in the Torah as a source of the particular long lost martial art featured in the video?

[mellow]

I was raised as an Orthodox Jew.
Please point out where tribal martial arts are pointed out in the Torah?

The twelve tribes aren't mentioned in the Torah?

[LuohanFist]

They are mention in the Hebrew Bible, but I guess you believe that's all a fabrication too. I suppose all the Jews just sprung up out of thin air.

I was raised as an Orthodox Jew.
Please point out where tribal martial arts are pointed out in the Torah?

[TTEscrima]

Would you try and punch him in the face while he was doing that with the sword in his hand?

Not being sarcastic just seriously curious.


Also could you do movement that fast with a live blade and not cut yourself.

ROFLMAO, first they don't train with weapons of any sort in their preferred system of larping, nor would they try to punch him....they'd go for the suplex.

[TTEscrima]

We should care, because he's also trying to market and sell this crap to other people.

Well since thats your big gripe, I can't wait to see you run off and start threads on every forum you can find about these clowns.

https://www.graciecombat.com/flare/next

If you really care about the people, this BS has far more TV commercials and magazine coverage... maybe you better run off to lead that battle because I don't see Abir sweeping the nation,. Come to think of it, I also don't see him advocating leaving your family in the car to have a macho streetfight while claiming to teach combatives and SD....somehow I'm sure you'll be right back here though.

[kingoftheforest]

Nahh thats not why I care (I mean if you buy into that you dont deserve money) its more because people here are saying that that sword demo has some practical merit as a training excercise.

I just dont get it!

Would you try and punch him in the face while he was doing that with the sword in his hand?

Not being sarcastic just seriously curious.


Also could you do movement that fast with a live blade and not cut yourself.

[mellow]

Let the buyer beware, then?

You damn skippy!!!

[mellow]

.There are no tribal systems, let alone any traces of the tribes.

They are mention in the Hebrew Bible, but I guess you believe that's all a fabrication too. I suppose all the Jews just sprung up out of thin air.

Ashida kim sells those. Very ancient. I can sell you mine for $50 if you want. I just have to finish receiving the sacred ancient message from the super ancient prophets that live in the mountains of Chicago.

you can download that crap for free.

. We don't know if it works for him, I don't see him pressure testing it.
2. The guy is a shameless larper raping a culture to make a buck. Only for the second time in history, it happens to not be Chinese culture. Same shit, different country.
3. The guy is the epitomy of all things wrong with the modern MA scene. Too much jedi crap, not enough realistic MA training, and honest people. That's why I almost completely gave up on TMA.

Once again, who cares? Unless he's cutting into your profit margin, I say live and let live.

[LuohanFist]

Let the buyer beware, then?

[mellow]

We should care, because he's also trying to market and sell this crap to other people.

Don't buy it. It's a free country.

[LuohanFist]

Don't get me wrong, if he was at least honest about his bits and pieces compilation, I'd be less critical of the guy.

However, I would still be curious about his credentials. Is he qualified to put together his own art, or did he take a few years of TKD, a year of Kali, and some Taijiquan dvds, put em all together to look pretty, paid the fee to the Sokeship council and suddenly became a soke of such and such?

Guys like that make me realize just how much chlorine we need in the TMA pool.

[Da Pope]

Nahh thats not why I care (I mean if you buy into that you dont deserve money) its more because people here are saying that that sword demo has some practical merit as a training excercise.

I just dont get it!