Abir Warrior Arts

[jubaji]

I don't need a mathematical formula to tell me it's bullshit that a section of a solid piece of anything is moving faster than another section.


The tip is moving just as fast as the handle. It may be farther away from the handle creating an illusion to the simple minded that it is moving faster, but it's not.


It is physically impossible for the tip to be moving faster than the rest of the metal it is attached to.

Sorry KOTF, but Wingnut is right about this one.

[jubaji]

And we see the superior attitude hasn't changed any.

That certainly has been an issue with some of your crew, but we'll let bygones be bygones.

[Da Pope]

It would seem you are confusing angluar velocity with linear velocity.

It would also seem that your fundemental understanding of mechanics is deeply flawed.

[Da Pope]

I don't need a mathematical formula to tell me it's bullshit that a section of a solid piece of anything is moving faster than another section.


The tip is moving just as fast as the handle. It may be farther away from the handle creating an illusion to the simple minded that it is moving faster, but it's not.


It is physically impossible for the tip to be moving faster than the rest of the metal it is attached to.

Oh Oh Huston we have a problem!

[kingoftheforest]

I don't need a mathematical formula to tell me it's bullshit that a section of a solid piece of anything is moving faster than another section.


The tip is moving just as fast as the handle. It may be farther away from the handle creating an illusion to the simple minded that it is moving faster, but it's not.


It is physically impossible for the tip to be moving faster than the rest of the metal it is attached to.

[Da Pope]

So you are saying the tip of the sword is moving faster than the handle?

But isn't the handle connected to the tip?

How can one piece of ridged steel move faster than another piece if they are connected?

Basic physics!!!

Angular velocity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[kingoftheforest]

And a lot of things are not.

And we see the superior attitude hasn't changed any.

[kingoftheforest]

Yep so in effect the blade is moving MUCH faster than any part of the body.

Which KOTF was not your point but one that I made. You are not going to be able to move your body faster than a sword.

Typical tip speed for a good strike is in excess of 200 ft/s thats roughly 136 mph. Some people can get 350 ft/s thats a whooping 236 mph!!!

Now seriously can you move that fast?

So you are saying the tip of the sword is moving faster than the handle?

But isn't the handle connected to the tip?

How can one piece of ridged steel move faster than another piece if they are connected?

[Da Pope]

Linear velocity is directly proportional to the radius given a uniform angular velocity. In other words, while the sword travels at blinding speed, the wrist and arms don't.

Yep so in effect the blade is moving MUCH faster than any part of the body.

Which KOTF was not your point but one that I made. You are not going to be able to move your body faster than a sword.

Typical tip speed for a good strike is in excess of 200 ft/s thats roughly 136 mph. Some people can get 350 ft/s thats a whooping 236 mph!!!

Now seriously can you move that fast?

[jubaji]

Alot of things that guys like KOTF and TTE put out on this sight are very insightful to the traditional arts -

And a lot of things are not.

[Tom Yum]

Tokyo Kid, TTE escrima and KOTF do know what they're talking about - their old schoolers when it comes to the martial arts - lots of folks doing good stuff with judo, karate and kung-fu.

From what I've read (and been told) - some of the Marines in vietnam witnessed Korean mercenaries make a mess out of the vietcong with their CQB skills (based in TKD) - despite this, lots of folks from the MMA world talk smack about TKD.

Why? Because its become more of a sport art and because of Mcdojoism in the 80's and 90's.

Alot of things that guys like KOTF and TTE put out on this sight are very insightful to the traditional arts - because they keep these arts alive and applicable.

[Tokyo Kid]

You're taking what KOTF is saying and taking it way out of context. He never said not to block. What he is saying that it's better to avoid than to block. You should look first to avoid, then deflect, and block as a last resort.

It's a moot point anyway, trying to go all defensive against someone attacking you with an edged weapon and full of intent is suicide.

But TK will just say "it's all theory, it doesn't hold up in a real fight". Well, let's see. Take this boxing clip for example:

YouTube - THE BEST DEFENSIVE BOXERS OF ALL TIME !!!!

Now, take note at how many times these boxers used slipping, bobbing, weaving, etc to avoid punches as opposed to parrying or blocking them. There you go TK, theory in action. . . . .

I think you're taking what Kotf is saying and putting in IN context. He's not 100% wrong. But there is parts of his arguments that are just too out there for me to ignore.

Boxing has little to do with it, though I see your point (which by the way is well made, thought out, and realistic). Look up any traditional kendo match on youtube and tell me what you see. Theory in action that run the gamut of avoiding, parrying, and blocking by individuals who are hardly beginners taught by worthless instructors.

[mellow]

Da Pope, he is pretending he is so skilled in "non-traditional kendo" that he can avoid strikes Crouching Tiger style. Or maybe he's being deliberately obtuse. Of course you would ideally strike first, but in reality this is not always the case. If you develope a "AW CRAP!!!" mentality every time things don't go your way in a conflict (as is usually the case with compliant "conducive to learning" techniques), your setting yourself up. By stepping outside your comfort zone and training with different certified instructors you can easily see the holes in your theories. Debating on forums and pretending to be an expert won't do it.

Could you ask him what non-traditional kendo is for me? He's not talking to me anymore. I'd like to know where he gets this from.

You're taking what KOTF is saying and taking it way out of context. He never said not to block. What he is saying that it's better to avoid than to block. You should look first to avoid, then deflect, and block as a last resort.

It's a moot point anyway, trying to go all defensive against someone attacking you with an edged weapon and full of intent is suicide.

But TK will just say "it's all theory, it doesn't hold up in a real fight". Well, let's see. Take this boxing clip for example:

YouTube - THE BEST DEFENSIVE BOXERS OF ALL TIME !!!!

Now, take note at how many times these boxers used slipping, bobbing, weaving, etc to avoid punches as opposed to parrying or blocking them. There you go TK, theory in action. . . . .

[Tokyo Kid]

Answer me goddamit!!!!

[kingoftheforest]

Linear velocity is directly proportional to the radius given a uniform angular velocity. In other words, while the sword travels at blinding speed, the wrist and arms don't.

My point exactly.