Abir Warrior Arts

[Tokyo Kid]

The same places you are taught to pass through when covering your lines are the same ones you pass through to attack the other person.

If you have gotten offline of the other person and you pass your weapon diagonally from right to left, their body or part of it will intercept your weapon.

You said you watched my vids. If you saw the ones on getting offline this would make sense.

Unless you just assumed it was crap, and people stand right in front of each other and just smash and hack away.

In which case I can understand your confusion.

Otherwise I just think you're being contrary just to be.

Regardless of what I assume about your videos, I think your perfect scenario theories would be thrown out the window as soon as the stuff hits the fan. I'm sure you would have come across this with non-compliant sparring.

What exactly is non-traditional kendo, and who did you learn it from?

[kingoftheforest]

Regardless of what I assume about your videos, I think your perfect scenario theories would be thrown out the window as soon as the stuff hits the fan. I'm sure you would have come across this with non-compliant sparring.

I'm done discusing this with you.

You seem to like to pretend you want to talk, then you pick and chose pieces of what people say and make it sound like they said something different.

It has nothing to do with perfect scenarios. It's called fighting the way you train.

You have yet to even clue anyone in on how or what you train.

Comment however you want, I'm ignoring you.

[Tokyo Kid]

I'm done discusing this with you.

You seem to like to pretend you want to talk, then you pick and chose pieces of what people say and make it sound like they said something different.

I believe you're not used to people calling you on your BS. I used to be the same way.

It has nothing to do with perfect scenarios. It's called fighting the way you train.

It doesn't always work that way. Especially if you train in an unrealistic compliant manner.

You have yet to even clue anyone in on how or what you train.

muay thai and escrima, I thought I said that. Other styles as well, but they were mostly BS. That's how I know it when I see it.

Comment however you want, I'm ignoring you.

Whatevs. All hypothetical theory seeing as how none of us has ever been in a sword fight. I would suggest however opening your mind and quit taking everything so personal.

[Da Pope]

When you fight with sticks, are you trying to hit the other guys stick?

Or are you trying to hit the other guy?

If you are aiming for his stick then you would have to count on disarming him before you could hurt him.

Doesn't fall under conservation of energy or any realistic fighting practice I've seen, other than larping.

Hit the other guy who is also trying to hit me

[Da Pope]

Real World - attack and hit first, screw blocking.

Blocking is your "Oh, Sh**!!!" move because that's your last resort for defense.

I get what you and KOTF are saying but that isnt always an option is it?

(Now for some what ifs...)

What if the attack on your person has already been launched?

Surely defensive counters (that may well be attacks as well) are important?

The flayling Rabbi is a good example. There is no way in hell I would aproach that without sword cover and I would expect contact.

[kingoftheforest]

I get what you and KOTF are saying but that isnt always an option is it?

(Now for some what ifs...)

What if the attack on your person has already been launched?

Surely defensive counters (that may well be attacks as well) are important?

The flayling Rabbi is a good example. There is no way in hell I would aproach that without sword cover and I would expect contact.

I think you are falling into the drill trap of what we call "chasing"

When you do a drill enough times you recognize eventually where your opponent will be. When doing it at a speed that is conducive to learning if th instructors aren't watching careful, students will chase the other person, instead of following the path of what would be a commited attack.


If someone launches an actual "Imma f*ck you up" downward strike with any object, be it fist sword or wtf ever, and they commit, and you aren't "where you're supposed to be, then they miss.

That's why getting off centerline is so important. If the person has commited to the strike you will know where they will be, however they will be striking t air.

Hence it nullifies blocking. If the guys is trying to split you down the middle and you side step while he is commited you have an open shot. There is no need to claim "perfect scenario", you just have to understand basic physics.


Objects in motion tend to stay in motion.

People can call BS all they want, but if you train any weapon art with a worthwhile instructor you'll see this line of thought.


People who charge up the middle tend not to alleviate the damage they take in fights.

[Da Pope]

I think you are falling into the drill trap of what we call "chasing"

When you do a drill enough times you recognize eventually where your opponent will be. When doing it at a speed that is conducive to learning if th instructors aren't watching careful, students will chase the other person, instead of following the path of what would be a commited attack.


If someone launches an actual "Imma f*ck you up" downward strike with any object, be it fist sword or wtf ever, and they commit, and you aren't "where you're supposed to be, then they miss.

That's why getting off centerline is so important. If the person has commited to the strike you will know where they will be, however they will be striking t air.

Hence it nullifies blocking. If the guys is trying to split you down the middle and you side step while he is commited you have an open shot. There is no need to claim "perfect scenario", you just have to understand basic physics.


Objects in motion tend to stay in motion.

People can call BS all they want, but if you train any weapon art with a worthwhile instructor you'll see this line of thought.


People who charge up the middle tend not to alleviate the damage they take in fights.

I am aware of "chasing" and no thats not what I am refering to.

RE: basic physics

My blade is faster than your feet! Sure step out of the on-comming traffick but to do so without covering with your sword is just plain crazy IMO.

Swords when used well move FAST, faster than you can move your body.

Anybody with any skill will redirect or strike is such a manner that they allow themselves cover from your counter.

I dont see how sword clash can practically be avoided, it just seems a very strange attitude to have.

I would rather have a damaged weapon than a damaged body.

(FYI I am a trained mechanical and electrical engineer I am currently researching cardiac-mechanics......bluntly I know my physics!)

[kingoftheforest]

Swords when used well move FAST, faster than you can move your body.

What are you using to swing the sword with again?

[Da Pope]

What are you using to swing the sword with again?

In response maybe you need to do a bit more basic physics : Angular velocity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[mellow]

In response maybe you need to do a bit more basic physics : Angular velocity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Linear velocity is directly proportional to the radius given a uniform angular velocity. In other words, while the sword travels at blinding speed, the wrist and arms don't.

[Tokyo Kid]

Da Pope, he is pretending he is so skilled in "non-traditional kendo" that he can avoid strikes Crouching Tiger style. Or maybe he's being deliberately obtuse. Of course you would ideally strike first, but in reality this is not always the case. If you develope a "AW CRAP!!!" mentality every time things don't go your way in a conflict (as is usually the case with compliant "conducive to learning" techniques), your setting yourself up. By stepping outside your comfort zone and training with different certified instructors you can easily see the holes in your theories. Debating on forums and pretending to be an expert won't do it.

Could you ask him what non-traditional kendo is for me? He's not talking to me anymore. I'd like to know where he gets this from.

[kingoftheforest]

Linear velocity is directly proportional to the radius given a uniform angular velocity. In other words, while the sword travels at blinding speed, the wrist and arms don't.

My point exactly.

[Tokyo Kid]

Answer me goddamit!!!!

[mellow]

Da Pope, he is pretending he is so skilled in "non-traditional kendo" that he can avoid strikes Crouching Tiger style. Or maybe he's being deliberately obtuse. Of course you would ideally strike first, but in reality this is not always the case. If you develope a "AW CRAP!!!" mentality every time things don't go your way in a conflict (as is usually the case with compliant "conducive to learning" techniques), your setting yourself up. By stepping outside your comfort zone and training with different certified instructors you can easily see the holes in your theories. Debating on forums and pretending to be an expert won't do it.

Could you ask him what non-traditional kendo is for me? He's not talking to me anymore. I'd like to know where he gets this from.

You're taking what KOTF is saying and taking it way out of context. He never said not to block. What he is saying that it's better to avoid than to block. You should look first to avoid, then deflect, and block as a last resort.

It's a moot point anyway, trying to go all defensive against someone attacking you with an edged weapon and full of intent is suicide.

But TK will just say "it's all theory, it doesn't hold up in a real fight". Well, let's see. Take this boxing clip for example:

YouTube - THE BEST DEFENSIVE BOXERS OF ALL TIME !!!!

Now, take note at how many times these boxers used slipping, bobbing, weaving, etc to avoid punches as opposed to parrying or blocking them. There you go TK, theory in action. . . . .

[Tokyo Kid]

You're taking what KOTF is saying and taking it way out of context. He never said not to block. What he is saying that it's better to avoid than to block. You should look first to avoid, then deflect, and block as a last resort.

It's a moot point anyway, trying to go all defensive against someone attacking you with an edged weapon and full of intent is suicide.

But TK will just say "it's all theory, it doesn't hold up in a real fight". Well, let's see. Take this boxing clip for example:

YouTube - THE BEST DEFENSIVE BOXERS OF ALL TIME !!!!

Now, take note at how many times these boxers used slipping, bobbing, weaving, etc to avoid punches as opposed to parrying or blocking them. There you go TK, theory in action. . . . .

I think you're taking what Kotf is saying and putting in IN context. He's not 100% wrong. But there is parts of his arguments that are just too out there for me to ignore.

Boxing has little to do with it, though I see your point (which by the way is well made, thought out, and realistic). Look up any traditional kendo match on youtube and tell me what you see. Theory in action that run the gamut of avoiding, parrying, and blocking by individuals who are hardly beginners taught by worthless instructors.