Abir Warrior Arts

[LuohanFist]

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/chinese-martial-arts/34390-abir-warrior-arts.html#post331351

There is mention of it here, in this exherpt.
Will be back in a few hours to continue discussion.

[LuohanFist]

Yes, Hit pills, or as they're being called on your site Bruise pills.

No, those I have not tried.
I concede to your point.

No comment on the video of Dales teacher moving people with his intent eh?

I have not seen this video. Can you link?

[LuohanFist]

He claims that his father taught him. Can you dispute that?
Not to say he's not totally full of it, but why are you picking him for your crusade against bad martial arts?

What crusade?
From what I read, he got secret techniques from the scriptures.
Is this information wrong? If it is, nevermind.
If it's not, I maintain my point.

Generally, however, I do have an issue with bullshit MA.

[TTEscrima]

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Hit pills?

Yes, Hit pills, or as they're being called on your site Bruise pills.

No comment on the video of Dales teacher moving people with his intent eh?

[LuohanFist]

Do you know who taught Dale to make those pills you recommend? Dr John Painter.

I thought as much, but again, no idea. If you want to invite Dale to this thread and ask, be my guest.

Do you know whats in them?

I will admit, for the first part, no clue.

I am however, planning to begin Chinese herbology courses within the next year. Unrelated, I know.

Tell me about the Hit pills you take before fighting, I see you recommend those so I assume you take them...whats in them?

Hit pills?

No idea as to the content. Don't think I take hit pills.
I did order a wine tonic which came in herb form. Is that the one you are talking about?

To be honest haven't tried the wine yet, as it's still brewing. Will post here know how it goes.

I'd refer you to the threads about Painters lineage here but they seem to have all vanished.

I'll google that myself, thanks.

With that aside,
1. Feel free to invite Dale to this thread and ask him.
2. Are you telling me you have no problem with the Abir video?
3. Are you telling me I am wrong about Jewish scripture not mentioning secret tribal martial arts?

[mellow]

Perhaps it's an oral tradition? Could be that the techniques weren't catalogued and recorded in the way they were in Asia.

He claims that his father taught him. Can you dispute that?
Not to say he's not totally full of it, but why are you picking him for your crusade against bad martial arts?

[TTEscrima]

Again, do you have something I need to know?

A moment ago you were accusing me of selling a product, now you are accusing me of lying I take it?

As I said before, I am commenting on something that's related to my field of knowlege. If you have something, share it. If you have a point to make, make it. Do you think I am hiding something?

Do you know who taught Dale to make those pills you recommend? Dr John Painter.

Do you know whats in them? Tell me about the Hit pills you take before fighting, I see you recommend those so I assume you take them...whats in them?

I'd refer you to the threads about Painters lineage here but they seem to have all vanished.

The Great Invigorator: Bruise Pills
Manufacturer: CDIA, Shifu Dale Dugas

MedicineShen Tong Zhu Yu Wan

This classical Chinese Herbal formula was designed to help move blood, decrease pain as well as help deal with a variety of physical issues.

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This formula can help mitigate problems such as: joint pain, pain in the arms and legs, osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, rheumatism, bursitis, tendonitis, rotator cuff injury, carpal tunnel syndrome, repetitive motion syndrome, traumatic injury, dysmenorrhea.

The Great Invigorator can be used for acute or chronic traumatic injury.

This formula is designed to be utilized for only a few days, usually 2-3 days maximum.

[mellow]

Martial

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Perhaps it's an oral tradition? Could be that the techniques weren't catalogued and recorded in the way they were in Asia.

[LuohanFist]

Dale Dugas IS a John Painter product as are all the formula's and pills on the page. You know the page where you recommend products to people?

Again, do you have something I need to know?

A moment ago you were accusing me of selling a product which I do not, now you are accusing me of lying I take it?

As I said before, I am commenting on something that's related to my field of knowlege. If you have something, share it. If you have a point to make, make it. Do you think I am hiding something?

[TTEscrima]

1. I don't sell anything.
2. I don't have any Dr. Painter products on my page.

Dale Dugas IS a John Painter product as are all the formula's and pills on the page. You know the page where you recommend products to people?

[LuohanFist]

Well, is it too far fetched to say that perhaps said people actually trained with said weapons before marching off to battle? Considering the success of their campaigns I would have to say they were pretty well trained in something.

Martial

arts

techniques

are

not

mentioned

ANYWHERE

in

the

old

testament

or

old

Jewish

records

[LuohanFist]

So you sell DR, Ranger, Captain Biff's materials

I don't sell anything. I make no money on this in any way shape or form. Please feel free to contact Dale if you wish to verify this fact. I am only recommending products that work.

Recommended Products

It is in my recommended products section.

and you don't care where they came from, or that he isn't a doctor, a ranger or a Captain...and you're fine with the fact they teach people to move people without touching them as martial arts...

I don't have any of Dr. Painter's products on that page. Please see above link.

because you're making money. ..

I'm not.

even though its from something you admit you don't know anything about.

This, unlike Jewish scripture, is indeed out of my field of knowlege. I don't know this, but I do know Jewish history from the perspective of the scriptures.

Are you implying that I should keep my mouth shut on this issue? Or that I am wrong?

What makes you so sure that no one has ever tried and benefited from Abir?

I'm not sure.

1. From what he says about his history, I know it has been fabricated.

2. There are no "ancient" Israeli martial arts. All such arts are modern, have been fabricated in recent years.

3. His art seems to be a combination of various MA elements which in itself is not bad or wrong. However, I have no knowlege of his training, or whether or not he has pressure tested what he preaches.

4. Based on the iformation presented so far, I have reason to doubt this person.

Again, is there flaw in this logic?
And do you have info I need to be aware of?

That's all the validation you seemed to need to begin selling Painter and his products.

1. I don't sell anything.
2. I don't have any Dr. Painter products on my page.

If you had no experience how do you know his is the stuff you ought to taking and selling?

See above.

I only recommend Dale's stuff. His ointment helped reduce swelling from training injuries. One of my classmates rolled his foot during BJJ training, which led to swelling. He used Dale's ointment, and it helped with both the pain and the swelling. If you wish, I can ask this gentleman to post about it.

If you wish to contact him and ask, feel free to PM me, and I will be glad to arrange it.

How do you know he didn't steal the info and repackage it like you claim was done with Abir? If Abir lets you sell his tapes will you endorse him too?

I don't sell anything.

[mellow]

They probably did.
The only thing that IS mentioned in the Hummash (5 books of historical record,) are wars fought, who fought, and who won. The most it ever said was someone used a sword to strike someone, someone threw a spear, someone used a bow and arrow.

No techniques, no details, no hidden techniques.

Nothing more detailed then that. I hope this clarifies things.

Well, is it too far fetched to say that perhaps said people actually trained with said weapons before marching off to battle? Considering the success of their campaigns I would have to say they were pretty well trained in something.

[TTEscrima]

Hey TTE.

I'm not a student of Dr. Painter, or Dale.
I tried Dale's herbs and they worked for me. His iron palm program works for me. Hence, I recommend it. I respect Dale as a person and a martial artist, but have no idea about their lineage.

I never made claims of any kind of lineage or mysterious long lost training, so I feel your point is somewhat moot.

Now this guy is making claims about something I am blatantly familiar with. As such, I feel like I can comment on it's invalidity with certainty. Is this logic flawed?

So you sell DR, Ranger, Captain Biff's materials and you don't care where they came from, or that he isn't a doctor, a ranger or a Captain...and you're fine with the fact they teach people to move people without touching them as martial arts... because you're making money. ..even though its from something you admit you don't know anything about.

What makes you so sure that no one has ever tried and benefited from Abir?

That's all the validation you seemed to need to begin selling Painter and his products. If you had no experience how do you know his is the stuff you ought to taking and selling? How do you know he didn't steal the info and repackage it like you claim was done with Abir? If Abir lets you sell his tapes will you endorse him too?

I await you making fun of Painter in his fake military uniform, and his Cowboy get up.

[LuohanFist]

You know the history of the Jews. Do you think they have no MA's?

They probably did.
The only thing that IS mentioned in the Hummash (5 books of historical record,) are wars fought, who fought, and who won. The most it ever said was someone used a sword to strike someone, someone threw a spear, someone used a bow and arrow.

No techniques, no details, no hidden techniques.

Nothing more detailed then that. I hope this clarifies things.