Abir Warrior Arts

[Da Pope]

He aint trying to avoid anything with that crazy figure of 8 thing he's doing.

I dont see how you could side step that and there is only so much stepping backwards that is good for you.

How would you counter his 'technique'?

(And the cost of my weapon would be the last thing on my mind )

[kingoftheforest]

He aint trying to avoid anything with that crazy figure of 8 thing he's doing.

I dont see how you could side step that and there is only so much stepping backwards that is good for you.

How would you counter his 'technique'?

(And the cost of my weapon would be the last thing on my mind )

He's doing a form. It teaches certain movements and concepts.

You better be good with a sword and quick if you want to win. It is possible to side step or avoid his sword.


And the cost of your weapon would be the first thing on your mind when you are surrounded by other people with weapons trying to kill you, and you're holding a worthless busted piece of metal.


Do some more research and you'll find samurai especially
didn't condone sword clashing.

[Da Pope]

Which skool of japanese swordsmanship are you refering to when you say 'samurai'?

[Da Pope]

And the cost of your weapon would be the first thing on your mind when you are surrounded by other people with weapons trying to kill you, and you're holding a worthless busted piece of metal.

Err no it wouldnt. Trying not to get killed would be. If my sword prevented a strike comming in then I would do it no hesitaion or thought come to think of it

[Da Pope]

Ideal world - I am superman and can avoid any strike comming in.

Real world - oh shit I really should haver blocked that!

Well thats my experience anyway....

What experience of swordsmanship do you have KOTF?

[Da Pope]

He's doing a form. It teaches certain movements and concepts.

Sorry just one more thing. The above quote seems at odds to your earlier question about whether I would punch him if he was figure of 8ing like he was, implying he was doing an actual technique as opposed to an attribute building excercise.

The figure of 8ing (if done properly) is used by many blade welding systems I thought as as way of teaching how to control your weapon AND as techique in itself (if that makes sense). I have ceratinly used it when sparring with sticks.

[kingoftheforest]

When you fight with sticks, are you trying to hit the other guys stick?

Or are you trying to hit the other guy?

If you are aiming for his stick then you would have to count on disarming him before you could hurt him.

Doesn't fall under conservation of energy or any realistic fighting practice I've seen, other than larping.

[Tokyo Kid]

I think you might be confusing "blocking" with "hitting the other guys stick".

[kingoftheforest]

I think you might be confusing "blocking" with "hitting the other guys stick".

Avoiding is the preferred method. Avoid and attack. Blocking should be a side effect and a part of the time occurance.

It shouldn't be something you aim to do, hitting the other guys stick or sword.


If you practice the lines properly, yes there are going to be times when sticks and or swords clash, it happens.


But you shouldn't be training to block the other persons weapon, you should be training to avoid it, while covering your lines, and attack his open spaces.



Begginers are taught to "block" because it teaches them how to properly cover the lines the other guy is attacking, and teaches at the same times the lines you want to be attacking.


Higher skill levels, blocking is frowned upon.

[Tokyo Kid]

So beginners are taught to block, and then taught to not block? That doesn't make sense.

Of course in an ideal situation you want to strike first without being hit ( in this case it would be done while the guy is doing his Hasidic breakdance routine [oh snap you just got served!]), but this isn't always going to be the case. If you block correctly, you will be in a position to strike while the other person is commited.

Either way, no one here has ever been in a sword fight, and the subject matter is a delusional con-artist. The second he pulls out a sword and starts dancing and clacking away I'd be three counties over.

[kingoftheforest]

So beginners are taught to block, and then taught to not block? That doesn't make sense.

Of course in an ideal situation you want to strike first without being hit ( in this case it would be done while the guy is doing his Hasidic breakdance routine [oh snap you just got served!]), but this isn't always going to be the case. If you block correctly, you will be in a position to strike while the other person is commited.

Either way, no one here has ever been in a sword fight, and the subject matter is a delusional con-artist. The second he pulls out a sword and starts dancing and clacking away I'd be three counties over.

You can't have a flow drill if the firt person to swing hits the other person.

"Block" is in quotes here again. It's not so much teaching to block, I used the term for simplicities sake I guess it missed it's mark, as it is teaching the begginer specific lines to cover.

it doesn't have to be a sword fight. Most arts teach you stick first because it translates to so many othe things.

Sword, stick, staff, cane, umbrella, hell even a broom if it's handy.


I'm going to ignore all the other childish comments, since some people complain when others do it, during a mature conversation.

[Tokyo Kid]

You can't have a flow drill if the firt person to swing hits the other person.

"Block" is in quotes here again. It's not so much teaching to block, I used the term for simplicities sake I guess it missed it's mark, as it is teaching the begginer specific lines to cover.

so how do you cover? If it is with your weapon, we are talking about the same thing. Although I still don't know why you would instill habits into a beginner only to try to have him unlearn them later. This is why I don't think flow drills are imoportant. They teach unrealistic motions.

it doesn't have to be a sword fight. Most arts teach you stick first because it translates to so many othe things.

Sword, stick, staff, cane, umbrella, hell even a broom if it's handy.

To an extent, but let's just say I'm glad my mom hit me with a broom instead of a sword. Even specific swords are used much differently than others.

I'm going to ignore all the other childish comments, since some people complain when others do it, during a mature conversation.

Oh c'mon! Regardless of the childishness of the comment, I was making a point. Be it Hasidic breakdance fighting or capoeira, disregard useless movements.

[kingoftheforest]

so how do you cover?

The same places you are taught to pass through when covering your lines are the same ones you pass through to attack the other person.

If you have gotten offline of the other person and you pass your weapon diagonally from right to left, their body or part of it will intercept your weapon.

You said you watched my vids. If you saw the ones on getting offline this would make sense.

Unless you just assumed it was crap, and people stand right in front of each other and just smash and hack away.

In which case I can understand your confusion.

Otherwise I just think you're being contrary just to be.

[mellow]

Ideal world - I am superman and can avoid any strike comming in.

Real world - oh shit I really should haver blocked that!

Well thats my experience anyway....

What experience of swordsmanship do you have KOTF?

Real World - attack and hit first, screw blocking.

Blocking is your "Oh, Sh**!!!" move because that's your last resort for defense.

[kingoftheforest]

Real World - attack and hit first, screw blocking.

Blocking is your "Oh, Sh**!!!" move because that's your last resort for defense.

Thank you. It's a band aide. means you f*cked up.

I got a few years of non-traditional Kendo.

And small Jin.