Chinese Boxing defeats Muay Thai!

[MuayThaiFighter]

TracyKarate: There are 2 different types of muay thai, one for the ring and one for the streats. The style for the ring has less deadly techniques because the objective in the ring isnt to kill your opponent (although mt practitioner die in the ring every year.

Now pearsonally the average mt practitioner of either style would win against the average karate practitioner. Why is this? It is because much or karate is full of shit, and the deadlier techniques that actually work aren't taught because people dont want to get sued. Also because karate practitioner rely too much on katas and beating the crap out of the air is nothing more than that. They arent accustomed to being being hit which will happen in real life, while the MT practictioner are.

I could go on and on about this but am too lazy, but in general a style that trains in heavy contact that teaches and trains more of a combative style is more effective than a sportive style. The only problem is that many people feal that just the mere knowladge of these techniques/principals will protect them they dont perfect them. They dont understand the intricacies and many times they think they are learning good stuff while they are really learning crap.

YAHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOO,I completely agree with you.

[formless_art]

i dont understand

.....what if they do? that wasnt the point.

[Chilly Dog]

What if 1000000 muay thai fighters beat 1000000 karate fighters? What then?

Well, in that case, in the spirit of this thread, years later, some on this forum will be debating whether the 1000001 thai fighter would beat the 1000001 karate fighter.

[LKFMDC]

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[Tom Yum]

Sanda Championships

LKFMDC, any Chinese/Mongolian sanshou fighters in this event?

[konghan]

The Americans have taken over, without wasting anytime American capitalism step in immidatiely they sense business in san shou $$$$ they have taken over as far as ranking , fight match & revenues.

No Chinese fighters or clubs were invited in those American san shou tournaments. Make one wonder why no chinese mainlanders, real san shou fighters?

[konghan]

Ya and guess where San Shou got their shin and knee kicks and use of elbows for sparring? Muay Thai fighters were the first to use those as their weapons. Those are not the only things we concentrate so you are incorrect.Muay Thai also does sweeps (you guys aren't the only ones) and we do stand up wrestling.

I do agree that many kickboxers are learning takedowns though.I do Pankration so we learn grappling combined with our Muay Thai.

I don't know anything about San Shou so I can't say anything against it.Unlike some people in these threads they will argue about styles they've never even done or seen themselves.

If San Shou is same or similar to Pankration and Shooto fighting then I will have to agree it too is one of the best and most realistic arts around but if not then I will have to disagree.Any art that has Muay Thai in it for stand up fighting is a good art especially when combined with grappling and from how you describe San Shou it sounds like it is made up of Muay Thai and Grapplintg.If San Shou has katas(forms) in it then I would have to say it is only part realistic because to me katas are useless.

I think MT is very similar to CTMA, their kicking power come from kung fu northern style, their close quarter fighting of elbow & knee comes ftom southern kung fu style ( white crane, tai zo, wu zu quan & etc. ) their iron body training comes from southern kung fu Tai Zo & Ta Mo kung fu.

In fact kung fu fighters have the guts to enter & fight MT even thought they are no match & outrank. But, do we see MT participating in kung fu, Japanese or Korean martial art tournaments?

San shou is the shortest way of CTMA, it is kung fu.

MT power kick is just like any power kick its just a matter of who lands the first knockout blow.

If a fighter like master Oyama with a very powerful iron fist & forearm lands that deadly blow first on a MT then he wins same with a MT if the MT lands first with his power kick then he wins.

As you have pointed out, that you have added grappling in your MT. So much for your claim of MT invincibility, or don't you belive that your power kick is strong enough to stop a grappler?

[Tom Yum]

But, do we see MT participating in kung fu, Japanese or Korean martial art tournaments?

San shou is the shortest way of CTMA, it is kung fu.

MT power kick is just like any power kick its just a matter of who lands the first knockout blow.

If a fighter like master Oyama with a very powerful iron fist & forearm lands that deadly blow first on a MT then he wins same with a MT if the MT lands first with his power kick then he wins.

As you have pointed out, that you have added grappling in your MT. So much for your claim of MT invincibility, or don't you belive that your power kick is strong enough to stop a grappler?

Yes. Refer to Damian Mavis, a Taekwondo instructor in Thailand, who competes in both and has students that do both.

MT is by no means invincible. As a matter of fact, a kyokushin karate team recently beat a muay thai team in some kind of K-1 team event. There are an increasing number of Sanshou victories against MT.

Sanshou was created by the Chinese government in the late 80's and early 90's. Its hand techniques come from western boxing, kicks (except the side kick and spinning kicks) are thrown MT style. The takedowns might have a shuai jiao influence. So arguably, the Chinese brought a few additional kicks and takedowns and combined it with the muay thai game.

BUT (and a big butt..lol), MT consistantly produces the best fighters whether they are from Europe, Thailand or Japan.

[konghan]

Yes. Refer to Damian Mavis, a Taekwondo instructor in Thailand, who competes in both and has students that do both.

MT is by no means invincible. As a matter of fact, a kyokushin karate team recently beat a muay thai team in some kind of K-1 team event. There are an increasing number of Sanshou victories against MT.

Sanshou was created by the Chinese government in the late 80's and early 90's. Its hand techniques come from western boxing, kicks (except the side kick and spinning kicks) are thrown MT style. The takedowns might have a shuai jiao influence. So arguably, the Chinese brought a few additional kicks and takedowns and combined it with the muay thai game.

BUT (and a big butt..lol), MT consistantly produces the best fighters whether they are from Europe, Thailand or Japan.

MT consistantly produce the best becuase their program is totally geared towards prize fighting its all about hard training. The same why the Cubans reign supreme in Olympic boxing, its all hard work. But with the opening up of China where there are many poor & desperate people that are willing really to train hard to improve their life style, we'll soon see a big challenge.

[Tom Yum]

MT consistantly produce the best becuase their program is totally geared towards prize fighting its all about hard training. The same why the Cubans reign supreme in Olympic boxing, its all hard work. But with the opening up of China where there are many poor & desperate people that are willing really to train hard to improve their life style, we'll soon see a big challenge.

Perhaps. Thaiboxing is Thailand's national sport. Alot of thaiboxers from Thailand start off as young as 6,7 or 8 years old because they are dropped off at orphanages from parents too poor to raise them and hope for them to have some kind of opportunity. The kids grow up in the ring, which explains why by the time they are in their early 20's they have had 100+ fights.

I don't know how the Chinese view sanshou. I allways thought that table tennis and basketball were the national sports. Then maybe wushu or swimming. Sanshou isn't really in the public's eye like muay thai is in Thailand, I think.

I think Sanshou is more of a military thing. I'd guess that most Chinese san shou athletes picked it up in the military (late teens/early 20's).

[konghan]

Perhaps. Thaiboxing is Thailand's national sport. Alot of thaiboxers from Thailand start off as young as 6,7 or 8 years old because they are dropped off at orphanages from parents too poor to raise them and hope for them to have some kind of opportunity. The kids grow up in the ring, which explains why by the time they are in their early 20's they have had 100+ fights.

I don't know how the Chinese view sanshou. I allways thought that table tennis and basketball were the national sports. Then maybe wushu or swimming. Sanshou isn't really in the public's eye like muay thai is in Thailand, I think.

I think Sanshou is more of a military thing. I'd guess that most Chinese san shou athletes picked it up in the military (late teens/early 20's).

Thats what I have been trying to say, bring me a MT who train only for 2 hours a day for 3 or 4 x a week, who is from a middle class & is goinf to school to get a diploma I bet he will be beatable by any amature martial art fighter.

[marvli]

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karate is overrated and funny to watch.

[Tom Yum]

karate is overrated and funny to watch.

what does that have to do with this thread

We were talking about muaythai and sanshou....

[marvli]

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can't be bothered to explain to you, read the thread, if you still can't see why I posted then I can't help you.. so sawwy.

[Tom Yum]

if you still can't see why I posted then I can't help you.. so sawwy.

good job on the "jerry lewis"