Chinese Boxing defeats Muay Thai!

[AlexJitsu]

Why are you presuming that I use a tiger claw? Ever heard of the shredder? What do you think that is supposed to be?

Damn dude, you're pretty stuck up about Muay Thai.

...and you don't see the difference between Karate and Kung Fu? Haha, well first of all:

Kung fu techniques > Karate.

Repertoire of Kung Fu > Karate. Kung Fu has grappling, kicking, punching, throwing, joint-locks, anything. Karate might have some of these, but few of them are practical.

Kung Fu forms > Karate Forms. You think that doing stop and go as opposed to full speed movement is the same thing, huh? Think again.

God knows what else. There is only one way of fighting, my friend. The one "way" is done differently as far as tactics.

[sherwinc]

Okay I'll name ten kung fu styles that I can think of .

1/Praying mantis kung fu
2/Tiger kung fu
3/Wing Chun
4/Wushu (or however it is spelt
5/Shaolin Kung Fu
6/Tai Chi
7/Drunken Style Kung Fu like in that Jackie Chan movie"Drunken Master"
8/White crane Kung Fu
9/Monkey Style Kung Fu
10/Hun Gar Kung Fu

I also know that kung fu styles represent different animals like dragon,tiger,snake,monkey,praying mantis and more.

Any art that does forms and comes from movements of an animal can't be realistic.Why practice animal movements of self-defense instead of learning what humans would need to know ? We move differently then animals so what you see them do works for them not for us.

Why learn a style like monkey kung fu for example? you want to learn how to fight like a monkey? if you fight like one you'll lose,to fight like one you have to be a monkey.

It is like someone asking you like these.....

Okay I'll name ten Computer Peripherals that I can think of .
1/Mouse
2/Monitor
3/MotherBoard
4/Memory
5/CD Programming Installer
6/Diskette in 3.5 size
7/Keyboard
8/HardDisk
9/MousePad
10/InkjetPrinter

but the question is..... DO YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE INVENTORY PROGRAM USING CLIPPER FOR WINDOWS????????

your ignorant haw haw haw haw

[Mr. Gordo]

Because this thread has turned completely gay, I think I'll hijack it for a minute.

AlexJitsu, I was thinking about getting Dimitri's Shredder tape set....you think it's worth it? I've heard nothing but great things about it. I've almost brought myself to pull the trigger and order it for like 5 times now. My background is mainly in Wing Chun, JKD, Hsing-I/Ba Gua. Will the shredder meld well with my background? Thanks.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Why are you presuming that I use a tiger claw? Ever heard of the shredder? What do you think that is supposed to be?

Damn dude, you're pretty stuck up about Muay Thai.

...and you don't see the difference between Karate and Kung Fu? Haha, well first of all:

Kung fu techniques > Karate.

Repertoire of Kung Fu > Karate. Kung Fu has grappling, kicking, punching, throwing, joint-locks, anything. Karate might have some of these, but few of them are practical.

Kung Fu forms > Karate Forms. You think that doing stop and go as opposed to full speed movement is the same thing, huh? Think again.

God knows what else. There is only one way of fighting, my friend. The one "way" is done differently as far as tactics.

Repertoire of Kung Fu > Karate. Kung Fu has grappling, kicking, punching, throwing, joint-locks, anything. Karate might have some of these, but few of them are practical.

Ya modern Kung Fu which is combined with other arts has these grappling,throwing,joint locks,just as does modern karate but you weren't talking about modern Kung Fu were you?Just ask Kenpo students and they'll tell you they do have all those joint locks and throws,punches,kicks etc.and Kenpo is karate,it's just that it is modern karate invented my Ed Parker,and they do very little forms usually anyways.

Kung Fu forms > Karate Forms. You think that doing stop and go as opposed to full speed movement is the same thing, huh? Think again.

You know jack shit about karate it's obvious. Karate isn't just stop and go as you put it and can sometimes be practiced at full speed depending on whether instructor asks you to and what kind of form.

I'm not trying to say karate is better or worse then Kung Fu after all I don't think either one is useful for self-defense but what I am saying is because both do katas to practice what they do is what makes the art useless.I also believe that even if different as you claim the idea of how to practice is the same.

All your tiger claws and push hand techniques,or shredder technique of Kung Fu are not going to save your ass on the street.

Karate has their movements and kung fu theirs but regardless very similar in some ways.

Punching and kicking from a stance is pointless and punching from waist is stupid.

There is only one way of fighting, my friend. The one "way" is done differently as far as tactics

You're right there is only one way to fight and that is going out and fighting on the street which is stupid and immature and can land you in jail. But to practice fighting tactics for a real situation then Mixed Martial Arts is it,however Muay Thai is important to know in any MMA.

If you do a modern style of Kung Fu of course it's going to be better then traditional Karate but if someone else does Modern Karate it will be basically or pretty close to the same anyways as you doing Modern Kung Fu.

Your kung fu that you talk about seems like modern kung fu more then tradtional am I not right?

Traditional Kung Fu and Traditional Karate are different yet very close in many ways.Modern karate and modern kung fu most likely won't have much difference.

Anyways to me katas are katas either way they are pointless.I've learnt many katas and I've seen many of different styles some are soft katas,some are hard and some like Okinawan Goju Ryu,which I had done are a combination of hard and soft.However I without a doubt I would have to agree that the forms of Tai Chi are completely different but I don't consider Tai Chi a martial arts even thogh it is known as one.

I consider Tai Chi as just a form of relaxation and meditation but anyways that's besides the point and a different topic so I won't even get into that.

[sherwinc]

Traditional Kung Fu and Traditional Karate are different yet very close in many ways.

Karate is Shit and KungFu is the Best...... why?????

cause all KungFu knows the way Karate move their Kata's

but.....

all Karate doesnt know the way all KungFu Kuns and Chiens each movement applications

Here is a follow-up again.....

One of my friend knows almost all Car Accessories..... he knows:
1/SteeringWheel
2/FrontWheelDrive
3/SideMirror
4/Bumper
6/Gasoline
7/Driver
8/SeatBelt
9/Clutch
10/TintedGlassWindow

but you know what? that friend of mine doesnt know how to drive that car.....

haw haw haw

he is really like you.....

why????

cause you know 10 examples of KungFu but you dont know each one of them.........

because if you only know it - then you will really realize that KungFu is great......

Convinced????????

[MuayThaiFighter]

Karate is Shit and KungFu is the Best...... why?????

cause all KungFu knows the way Karate move their Kata's

but.....

all Karate doesnt know the way all KungFu Kuns and Chiens each movement applications

Here is a follow-up again.....

One of my friend knows almost all Car Accessories..... he knows:
1/SteeringWheel
2/FrontWheelDrive
3/SideMirror
4/Bumper
6/Gasoline
7/Driver
8/SeatBelt
9/Clutch
10/TintedGlassWindow

but you know what? that friend of mine doesnt know how to drive that car.....

haw haw haw

he is really like you.....

why????

cause you know 10 examples of KungFu but you dont know each one of them.........

because if you only know it - then you will really realize that KungFu is great......

Convinced????????

Okay if all kung fu knows the way karate moves are but karate doesn't know the way kung fu moves,give me one example of how karate moves.

I don't have to know them to know they are useless,do you know anything about Muay Thai? probably not other then what you have read.

Why do you always write "Convinced??????" it gets old and boring to see you do that and annoying.You look like a broken record.

If you do Kung Fu the way you always right Convinced on every message and thread you go to it's no wonder you're messed up and don't know jack shit about anything and only know about your kung fu.It means you're limited to just one thing and have to keep on without change.

The only thing I am convinced about is you're an idiot Sherwinc,a bloody troll.

By the way I know of more then 10 styles of Kung Fu but I was only asked for 10 examples.

[AlexJitsu]

Mr. Gordo, I haven't seen the tape set, but it probably shows you the principles of the shredder and how to use it.

[sherwinc]

Okay if all kung fu knows the way karate moves are but karate doesn't know the way kung fu moves,give me one example of how karate moves.

One Example of How Karate Moves:
1. They punch in a straight-lined fashion from shoulder up to their fists end, and their punch is just a punch and nothing more, their outside forearm block could not converted into an attacking move........ they are not into a Multiplication Type but an Addition only.......

By the way I know of more then 10 styles of Kung Fu but I was only asked for 10 examples.

me too..... i know plenty of KungFu Styles and KungFu Systems but i only used to only one Style "ChiDianBun KungFu"

why?????

cause you cant mastered 2 or three kungfu styles unless you can reach your age up to 300 years old...... cause it is very hard to master just one style of kungfu......

[Mr. Gordo]

Mr. Gordo, I haven't seen the tape set, but it probably shows you the principles of the shredder and how to use it.

OK, thanks Alex.

[AlexJitsu]

MTF, you have to know the difference between the older and newer styles of kung fu. The old original styles like Shaolin Lohan, ChangQuan (longfist), use the chambered fist techniques. But hell, you could take that chambered fist by your waist and move it to your face and you'll have a much more effective system.

The reason why many old styles of Kung Fu have that low guard is probably because back then the groin was a commonly hit target.

I train in Hsing Yi Chuan mainly. It's an internal style like Tai Chi but it's known to be more for fighting. It's not very old at all; it was probably created in either the 11th or 17th century, it's not really known. I also study Tori Ryu Jiu-Jitsu.

[sherwinc]

MTF, you have to know the difference between the older and newer styles of kung fu. The old original styles like Shaolin Lohan, ChangQuan (longfist), use the chambered fist techniques. But hell, you could take that chambered fist by your waist and move it to your face and you'll have a much more effective system.

The reason why many old styles of Kung Fu have that low guard is probably because back then the groin was a commonly hit target.

I train in Hsing Yi Chuan mainly. It's an internal style like Tai Chi but it's known to be more for fighting. It's not very old at all; it was probably created in either the 11th or 17th century, it's not really known. I also study Tori Ryu Jiu-Jitsu.

According to my KungFu Instructor.....

Hsing-I Chuan (Hing-E) is a Short and Ultra-Short Distance KungFu Systems

and.....

Only Japanese JuiJitSu is the most brutal form of Japanese Martial Arts....

[MuayThaiFighter]

One Example of How Karate Moves:
1. They punch in a straight-lined fashion from shoulder up to their fists end, and their punch is just a punch and nothing more, their outside forearm block could not converted into an attacking move........ they are not into a Multiplication Type but an Addition only.......



me too..... i know plenty of KungFu Styles and KungFu Systems but i only used to only one Style "ChiDianBun KungFu"

why?????

cause you cant mastered 2 or three kungfu styles unless you can reach your age up to 300 years old...... cause it is very hard to master just one style of kungfu......

1. They punch in a straight-lined fashion from shoulder up to their fists end, and their punch is just a punch and nothing more, their outside forearm block could not converted into an attacking move........ they are not into a Multiplication Type but an Addition only.......

This alone shows you are ignorant about karate.First of all not all punches are at shoulder height.In karate they have high,middle and low punches and once again you're wrong karate does have blocks that can be converted into an attacking move.

Next you're going to say karate doesn't have side kicks when they do.

me too..... i know plenty of KungFu Styles and KungFu Systems but i only used to only one Style "ChiDianBun KungFu"

I meant I know of several names of Kung Fu but I've never done Kung Fu,I just know what it's about from what I've seen,read and heard.

[MuayThaiFighter]

According to my KungFu Instructor.....

Hsing-I Chuan (Hing-E) is a Short and Ultra-Short Distance KungFu Systems

and.....

Only Japanese JuiJitSu is the most brutal form of Japanese Martial Arts....

According to my KungFu Instructor

That's the problem with martial arts students they always go by what their sensei or sifu tell them out of respect instead of experiencing it for themselves.I'm not saying don't respect your instructor that is a MUST but don't ignore trying different styles and learning from experience instead of limiting yourself to one.

Only Japanese JuiJitSu is the most brutal form of Japanese Martial Arts

Well I don't know how true this is but I do agree it is very effective,most Japanese styles other then karate are very good self-defense martial arts styles like Jujitsu,Judo and Aikido.

I would never do a Chinese style of martial arts because of the ones I know of they aren't good for self-defense such as Kung Fu.

I wouldn't do a Korean style like TKD either.

I would only do styles from Japan,Thai,Phillipines,Brazil,Greece,Indonesia and a few other countries.

When I'm too old to fight Muay Thai I'm going to probably get into either Judo or Aikido and perhaps try Kali,Arnis or Pencak-silat.

[sherwinc]

1. They punch in a straight-lined fashion from shoulder up to their fists end, and their punch is just a punch and nothing more, their outside forearm block could not converted into an attacking move........ they are not into a Multiplication Type but an Addition only.......

This alone shows you are ignorant about karate.First of all not all punches are at shoulder height.In karate they have high,middle and low punches and once again you're wrong karate does have blocks that can be converted into an attacking move.

Next you're going to say karate doesn't have side kicks when they do.

1. Give me 6 or 10 unique applications of an Outside Karate Forearm Block
Note: (5 unique Outside Karate Forearm Block Defense and 5 unique Outside Karate Forearm Block Offense)
answer me now......

2. Give me another 6 or 10 unique applications of a Karate Reverse Punch
Note: (5 unique Karate Reverse Punch Defense and 5 unique Karate Reverse Punch Offense)
answer me now......

me too..... i know plenty of KungFu Styles and KungFu Systems but i only used to only one Style "ChiDianBun KungFu"

I meant I know of several names of Kung Fu but I've never done Kung Fu,I just know what it's about from what I've seen,read and heard.

Haw Haw Haw Hawe

[AlexJitsu]

Sherwinc, relax. Some styles of Karate with full-contact sparring like Shidokan and Kyokushin are half-decent.

...and sherwinc, it's pronounced "Shing-E".