Chinese Boxing defeats Muay Thai!

[sherwinc]

Chinese Boxing defeats Muay Thai!

YAHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOO,I completely agree with you.

Chinese Boxing defeats Muay Thai!
True, Very True, and Extremely True

Muay Thai defeats Karate!
True, Very True, and Extremely True

Muay Thai defeats TaeKwonDo!
True, Very True, and Supreme Extremely True

[jubaji]

But with the opening up of China where there are many poor & desperate people that are willing really to train hard to improve their life style, we'll soon see a big challenge.

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[MuayThaiFighter]

I think MT is very similar to CTMA, their kicking power come from kung fu northern style, their close quarter fighting of elbow & knee comes ftom southern kung fu style ( white crane, tai zo, wu zu quan & etc. ) their iron body training comes from southern kung fu Tai Zo & Ta Mo kung fu.

In fact kung fu fighters have the guts to enter & fight MT even thought they are no match & outrank. But, do we see MT participating in kung fu, Japanese or Korean martial art tournaments?

San shou is the shortest way of CTMA, it is kung fu.

MT power kick is just like any power kick its just a matter of who lands the first knockout blow.

If a fighter like master Oyama with a very powerful iron fist & forearm lands that deadly blow first on a MT then he wins same with a MT if the MT lands first with his power kick then he wins.

As you have pointed out, that you have added grappling in your MT. So much for your claim of MT invincibility, or don't you belive that your power kick is strong enough to stop a grappler?

MuayThai and Kung Fu are totally different.No you don't see us entering in kung fu,japanese or korean arts because we're too dangerous for other arts,other arts can't compete with us,we would win 9 out of 10x.

Muay Thai kicks are not like any other kicks, Muay Thai kicks unlike those of other arts are done using shins or knees with full power and no pulling back.Muay Thai fighters don't snap their kicks we go right through with them.

If a fighter like master Oyama with a very powerful iron fist & forearm lands that deadly blow first on a MT then he wins same with a MT if the MT lands first with his power kick then he wins.

That's if anyone can be so lucky to be able to land an iron fist or forearm on a Muay Thai person.Besides these Iron palm and forearm strikes are uselesss,would never work in a sparring match or real fight especially against a MT person.

As you have pointed out, that you have added grappling in your MT. So much for your claim of MT invincibility, or don't you belive that your power kick is strong enough to stop a grappler?

I guess some people don't know how to read what I write but once again as I have written in some other threads I believe MuayThai is the best for STAND UP,I didn't say best art period.You can't compare grappling to stand up,they're completely different.

Some grapplers know how to pass through a muay thai kick and go for takedown as most of us have seen been done in UFC,SABAKI Challenge and Pride,so I'm not saying whether our kick is powerful enough to stop a grappler or not,obviously it can be depending on the grappler.

Muay Thai may be the best STAND UP art but it is still always good to know some grappling as I believe most fights end to the ground although I know some people will disagree but that's okay.

Martial arts wise any art can be studied on it's own it is a matter of whether it will be effective or not.On the street it is important to be able to fight both stand up and ground so it is better to be as prepared as possible which no typical traditional art like karate,kung,tkd will prepare you for.Even if you do karate and your instructor has incorporated grappling it still is very limited.The grappling is good to learn but the karate part is nothing but B.S.it's like mixing ballet with fighting makes no sense.

Karate is great if you want to keep in shape and just want to learn beautiful relaxing techniques like in ballet and have as a way to express yourself but for self-defense it is pointless no offense to anyone who studies it,just my opinion.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Chinese Boxing defeats Muay Thai!
True, Very True, and Extremely True

Muay Thai defeats Karate!
True, Very True, and Extremely True

Muay Thai defeats TaeKwonDo!
True, Very True, and Supreme Extremely True

Chinese Boxing defeats Muay Thai!
True, Very True, and Extremely True

HA HA HA HA,you got to be kidding me.

If Muay Thai can defeat karate and tae kwon do what makes you so sure it can't beat Chinese Boxing?


I think you should have written it like this.

Karate defeats TKD

Chinese Boxing just as good as Karate defeats TKD

Karate,Chinese boxing and TKD defeat Wing Chun and Tai chi

But Muay Thai defeats Chinese Boxing,Karate,TKD,Wing Chun and Tai Chi etc.

[sherwinc]

Chinese Boxing defeats Muay Thai!
True, Very True, and Extremely True

HA HA HA HA,you got to be kidding me.

If Muay Thai can defeat karate and tae kwon do what makes you so sure it can't beat Chinese Boxing?


I think you should have written it like this.

Karate defeats TKD

Chinese Boxing just as good as Karate defeats TKD

Karate,Chinese boxing and TKD defeat Wing Chun and Tai chi

But Muay Thai defeats Chinese Boxing,Karate,TKD,Wing Chun and Tai Chi etc.

WingChun and TaiChi is a category of ChineseBoxing...... you ignorant....

haw haw haw haw

[konghan]

MuayThai and Kung Fu are totally different.No you don't see us entering in kung fu,japanese or korean arts because we're too dangerous for other arts,other arts can't compete with us,we would win 9 out of 10x..

Too DAngerous? , they don't enter becuase they can't fight in other style ring rules. MT greatest weakness is they have no technique against takedowns, grappling, throws or leg catch. MT fight well only in their own atmosphere.

And as I have mention several times majority of Thai MT fighters were picked up from poor families or orphanes & settle in MT stables to train for life & to fight for their owners. They are not allowed to use the internet, no girls, no alcohol, no nite life.

In fact, Thai MT fighters are superior than western MT fighters becuase Thai train harder, but western MT ighters are more literate & more independent.

Society has change substancially self defense, law & order & the presence of guns as well as pursuite of academic & merchant life & with so many other priorities has deminissed the desire to train as hard as the MT or to be a true martial artist.

There are more rewarding professional sports that one can make millions & retire rich. Sports like basketball, baseball, hockey, soccr & football.

The good about kung fu like wu zu quan 五 祖 拳 except modern wu shu is that it doesnot discriminate against physical or athletic ability & age it is good for both health & combat or self defense.

[AlexJitsu]

Wow, MTfighter, now that you're so ignorant I have to say:


The San Shouers kicked the Thai boxers %$#^$# asses in those challenge matches.

Learn your MA history. Karate = watered down kung fu. Kung fu = the source of everything.

Go fight a Kung Fu master and get your ass rocked before dissing Kung fu.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Wow, MTfighter, now that you're so ignorant I have to say:


The San Shouers kicked the Thai boxers %$#^$# asses in those challenge matches.

Learn your MA history. Karate = watered down kung fu. Kung fu = the source of everything.

Go fight a Kung Fu master and get your ass rocked before dissing Kung fu.

You're just plain stupid and can't read or understand what I write.I've always said Muay Thai was best STAND UP art never once said best art.The best martial arts styles have a combination of both MuayThai and Grappling.

From what I know and have read about San Shou on net is that they actually stole those powerful kicks of theirs from us when they saw how Thai fighters were always winning.When they went back to China after fighting and having lost in Thailand they incorporated the kicks in their style turning it into MuayThai and then on top of that added Grappling making their fights better then doing just MuayThai,so comparing San Shou with a combined art makes no freaking sense.

If you want to compare combined arts with San Shou why not compare Pankration or Shoot fighting with San Shou which have MuayThai and grappling and share similar techniques.

Go fight a Kung Fu master and get your ass rocked before dissing Kung fu.


Why don't you go fight a Muay Thai fighter and see how fast you'll be dropped with your useless Kung Fu ?

I won't fight a Kung Fu master because I fight real fighters not wanna bees.

I'd love to fight a kung fu master any day.

I know you'll probably say but San Shou is kung fu,but the thing is that's the past today's San Shou is more like Muay Thai with Grappling therefore no different from Pankration other then from a different country.

If Kung Fu is so good then why is it San Shou originally a form of kung fu had to steal the kicks of MuayThai and add grappling in order to win their fights?

I'm curious have you ever been a real fight and actually know how it works on the street where there are no rules? I have.I used to get in fights all the time both in and out of school and also fought a few times in my early 20's.Not stuff I'm exactly proud of.

[AlexJitsu]

Hope you realize I was being semi-sarcastic.

Jason Delucia was a kung fu fighter, he handed EVERYONE's ass to them until he lost to Gracie in UFC 1. How's that for size?

Wow, so Muay Thai is the best standup art? That basically says that Muay Thai IS the best martial art since 90% of martial arts are standup.

The MMA scene will die down. The karate & TKD scene did. Pretty soon the Kung Fu fighters will step up because they're sick of hearing bullshit coming out of people's asses about Kung Fu. Also, you do realize that most San Shou fighters are just Kung Fu fighters doing full-contact sparring? After all, all San Shou means in english is "free-sparring".

Useless Kung Fu? I'll let Sherwinc continue with that. I've trained in some Muay Thai myself, I actually use the Thai roundhouse because I like its power.

Also, you do realize that the art doesn't make the fighter?

The truth is, you're an internet warrior with ignorance exceeding the size of Mt, Everest, and that's why you won't fight a Kung Fu Sifu, because he would hand your ass to you.

Maybe you had a bad experience with Kung Fu, but get your ass in a real Kung Fu school with full contact sparring and modern training methods before you start talking shit about an art you know JACK SHIT about.

[sherwinc]

Useless Kung Fu? I'll let Sherwinc continue with that. I've trained in some Muay Thai myself, I actually use the Thai roundhouse because I like its power.

Whos the most powerful roundhouse kick???? MuayThai or ChiDianBun?

well....
MuayThai roundhouse kick his opponent and hit his opponent's side of the knees.....

while....
ChiDianBun roundhouse kick his opponent and hit his opponent's back of the knees even they both face each other still the back of the knees is hit with the roundhouse......

note:
even when you face with each other, ChiDianBun roundhouse kick his opponents floating ribs but isnt the floating ribs is hit instead the kidney is hit....

[MuayThaiFighter]

Hope you realize I was being semi-sarcastic.

Jason Delucia was a kung fu fighter, he handed EVERYONE's ass to them until he lost to Gracie in UFC 1. How's that for size?

Wow, so Muay Thai is the best standup art? That basically says that Muay Thai IS the best martial art since 90% of martial arts are standup.

The MMA scene will die down. The karate & TKD scene did. Pretty soon the Kung Fu fighters will step up because they're sick of hearing bullshit coming out of people's asses about Kung Fu. Also, you do realize that most San Shou fighters are just Kung Fu fighters doing full-contact sparring? After all, all San Shou means in english is "free-sparring".

Useless Kung Fu? I'll let Sherwinc continue with that. I've trained in some Muay Thai myself, I actually use the Thai roundhouse because I like its power.

Also, you do realize that the art doesn't make the fighter?

The truth is, you're an internet warrior with ignorance exceeding the size of Mt, Everest, and that's why you won't fight a Kung Fu Sifu, because he would hand your ass to you.

Maybe you had a bad experience with Kung Fu, but get your ass in a real Kung Fu school with full contact sparring and modern training methods before you start talking shit about an art you know JACK SHIT about.

Wow, so Muay Thai is the best standup art? That basically says that Muay Thai IS the best martial art since 90% of martial arts are standup.

Well I guess that just proves how good Muay Thai is.However 90% is still not all Martial Arts.


The MMA scene will die down. The karate & TKD scene did. Pretty soon the Kung Fu fighters will step up because they're sick of hearing bullshit coming out of people's asses about Kung Fu. Also, you do realize that most San Shou fighters are just Kung Fu fighters doing full-contact sparring? After all, all San Shou means in english is "free-sparring".

This just shows me how stupid you are because it is infact the opposite MMA is becoming more and more popular due to UFC,Sabaki Challenge and Pride and will continue to do so.

Pretty soon the Kung Fu fighters will step up because they're sick of hearing bullshit coming out of people's asses about Kung Fu.

Right on this I am dieing to see.It will show that you Kung Fu guys finally have guts but also will prove how unrealistic arts like yours are and how much better MMA are.I'd love to see you guys get your ass kicked and it will happen.


Also, you do realize that most San Shou fighters are just Kung Fu fighters doing full-contact sparring? After all, all San Shou means in english is "free-sparring".

If this is true then what I read about San Shou on net is bullshit.If San Shou is just kung fu with full contact sparring then all I can say is that the only good thing about it is the full contact sparring and the rest is useless because katas are pointless and Kung Fu does do katas.

I'll let Sherwinc continue with that. I've trained in some Muay Thai myself, I actually use the Thai roundhouse because I like its power.

You think I really give a shit about what sherwinc thinks,he just bullshits all the time and doesn't know jack shit about martial arts from the stuff I've read.Any guy who thinks a butterfly kick from kung fu will finish off a muay thai fighter doesn't know anything about martial arts.

If you have trained in some Muay Thai yourself then you should know how much more realistic it is then kung fu but I guess you don't know and was too stupid to learn anything from your training.

Also, you do realize that the art doesn't make the fighter?

It definitely helps,but so does also having a good trainer.

The truth is, you're an internet warrior with ignorance exceeding the size of Mt, Everest, and that's why you won't fight a Kung Fu Sifu, because he would hand your ass to you.

Maybe you had a bad experience with Kung Fu, but get your ass in a real Kung Fu school with full contact sparring and modern training methods before you start talking shit about an art you know JACK SHIT about.

I'll fight a Kung Fu sifu or any instructor from any traditional art and other fighters from Muay Thai.I never turn down a challenge.

Why the hell would I go from a top fighting style to something much lower ? I want to continue to improve my fighting ability not lower it and if I go to a real Kung Fu school every student will be getting hurt.Besides I'm an instructor so I don't need to take stuff like Kung Fu.

I probably know more about martial arts then most of the guys who come to these threads.I have been in martial arts 19yrs. now how long have you done martial arts for ?

I have experience with real street fighting,12yrs. of Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate (Ni Dan) ex-sempai, Pankration for 7yrs.and have fought instructors with 5 more years experience then me and won.

I would love to fight my ex-karate sensei and kick his ass.

[konghan]

I don't agree 90% is MT, the reason its 90% to some people it is because MT get so much publicity. Besdie many MT fighetrs lost to good western boxing.
Here is one way to break the knee of a kick. This is where good forearm conditioning come in to play, but off course you can't do this in ring tournament.

[AlexJitsu]

So you've never had real Kung Fu instruction, and you diss it? Forms in Karate and Kung Fu are totally different. Karate Katas make you memorize a bunch of bullshiut. Kung Fu sets or forms help you develop accuracy and speed, to do things faster and more accurately. They also help convert techniques to muscle memory. Still useless, eh?

...and no, the MMA scene is and WILL die down. Eventually it will get so popular, that 90% of MMA schools will turn into McDojos. Did you know that TKD actually used to be good?

I've been in martial arts for about 7 years. I know what works and what doesn't. You claim you know more about MA than most people you know. So name 10 Kung Fu styles. Just 10.

[konghan]

Heres another way to get or neutralise that kick.

[MuayThaiFighter]

So you've never had real Kung Fu instruction, and you diss it? Forms in Karate and Kung Fu are totally different. Karate Katas make you memorize a bunch of bullshiut. Kung Fu sets or forms help you develop accuracy and speed, to do things faster and more accurately.

Actually Kung Fu and Karate forms are not totally different.Kung Fu forms also make you memorize a bunch of bullshit too. After all both are supposed to help you develop accuracy and speed, to do things faster and more accurately through forms.

I've seen kung fu forms be demonstrated in tournaments looked not that much different from karate forms.

[B]They also help convert techniques to muscle memory. Still useless, eh ?

Oh and I suppose Karate isn't supposed to do that? Well you're wrong.

The only difference between karate forms and kung fu forms are that kung fu forms are supposed to be more fluid then karate ones.

Both karate and kung fu have stances,punches from hips,unrealistic moves,and both have several styles of each one.Both do katas which are pre-arranged movements.So they aren't that much different.


...and no, the MMA scene is and WILL die down. Eventually it will get so popular, that 90% of MMA schools will turn into McDojos. Did you know that TKD actually used to be good?

I agree that there will be mcdojos teaching MMA just like in any art but there will still be real ones out there and as long as they exist they will never die.I believe people will be more interested in MMA then your usual martial arts,because most of us know how realistic they are and have seen how it works and how close MMA is to a real fight.

I've been in martial arts for about 7 years. I know what works and what doesn't. You claim you know more about MA than most people you know. So name 10 Kung Fu styles. Just 10

7yrs. is nothing it means I have 12 yrs.over you of experience and I'm suposed to listen to you!!!!!!!!! Now that's funny.

Obviously you don't know what works.

Your stupid tiger claw strike done in Kung Fu would never work on street or even in sparring.

Okay I'll name ten kung fu styles that I can think of .

1/Praying mantis kung fu
2/Tiger kung fu
3/Wing Chun
4/Wushu (or however it is spelt
5/Shaolin Kung Fu
6/Tai Chi
7/Drunken Style Kung Fu like in that Jackie Chan movie"Drunken Master"
8/White crane Kung Fu
9/Monkey Style Kung Fu
10/Hun Gar Kung Fu

I also know that kung fu styles represent different animals like dragon,tiger,snake,monkey,praying mantis and more.

Any art that does forms and comes from movements of an animal can't be realistic.Why practice animal movements of self-defense instead of learning what humans would need to know ? We move differently then animals so what you see them do works for them not for us.

Why learn a style like monkey kung fu for example? you want to learn how to fight like a monkey? if you fight like one you'll lose,to fight like one you have to be a monkey.