Chinese Boxing defeats Muay Thai!

[Toudiyama[NL]]

for example of 6 unique applications in each 1 alphabets:

in WingChun's TanSau or PalmUpHand
1. TanSau can be used to deflect ThaiBri's lungpunch
2. Attacking ThaiBri's ugly face using TanSau.... so, defense becomes an offense.......
3. After trapping ThaiBri's leg by using your both hands, you can immediately support it using TanSau, and break ThaiBri's kneecap using elbows......
4. Using TanSau to push ThaiBri's back in order to bump his self on the wall, dont forget to support ThaiBri's lead leg with your NgoChoKun's ChienBe Stance.....
5. Using TanSau to BridgeTheGap with his forearm in order to ChiSao him, your bridge sensitivity dictates follows next......
6. Using TanSau to strike ThaiBri's Adam's Apple, for him to realize how effective kungfu is.........

Note:
so, we have 6 unique applications in a single alphabet TanSau..... but there are more than 6 applications for you to discover.........

so, if there are 18 hand alphabets of wingchun...... simply saying that:
18 hand alphabets x 6 unique applications = 108 overall unique applications each for you to discover yet.......

Again you do it, I'm asking you if Karate has only 1 application then how can different styles teach different applications ( Bunkai and henkai meaning application and variation) to the same form and even within one style, that's the Henkai part

You make claims about Karate, I prove you wrong and then you try to prove you're right by not mentioning karate anymore

And Please, Stop using the word alphabet, an alphabet is the ABC not every letter seperate, this is wrong english as used by asians as it seems ( japanese do it too) you only need one alphabet to write a letter or to communicate in many languages

if you want to learn it more faster then the slower you'll learn your martial art.........

the correct term is:
DO IT SLOW, WHILE THE ACTION IS FAST

Convinced??????????

Again you aren't reading what I'm writing, I say, if I'm a fast learner, not if I want to learn the fast way, a fast learner is someone that takes less time than the average student to perfect things
Would such a person be held back and still only be taught 2 techniques or would your teacher teach him faster

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Am I right, you are still a student but have the audacity to still teach others?
What gave you the idea that you knew enough of your art to start teaching it, did you get permission from your teacher? ( in CMA it is not done without that)

Man it took me 2 courses and a total of almost 4 years to become a certified Karate teacher, certified as in recognized by the state

Psychology, pedagogy, physiology, didactics, methodics and kinematics for the theoretical part of it
for the parctical we were also introduced to other styles

Wado, Kyokushin, Shotokan, Goju, Taikiken(po) and (Dutch-Indees) Shaolin Kempo

BTW for Tai-ki-Ken we got Hachi Dan Kin, a for you mighgt know as Ba duan gin

[sherwinc]

Am I right, you are still a student but have the audacity to still teach others?
What gave you the idea that you knew enough of your art to start teaching it, did you get permission from your teacher? ( in CMA it is not done without that)

as i already said, we are now on our own since the kungfu club is already gone around 1997......

if my instructor know what i did, he will get mad cause he wants that only 15 of us will permanently knows ChiDianBun KungFu, it is not allowed to teach anyone......

but now i think, this will only lost of i dont teach it to my selected dedicated student.......

i teach him only 1 month....... he's a fast learner.......

now you see??????

i am just a kungfu student..... i am not a kungfu practitioner but i am only a kungfu student...... but you see the damages that made by my 2nd student?????????????

now i am mad about him.........

maybe i wont accept future 3rd student of mine.......

Man it took me 2 courses and a total of almost 4 years to become a certified Karate teacher, certified as in recognized by the state

Psychology, pedagogy, physiology, didactics, methodics and kinematics for the theoretical part of it
for the parctical we were also introduced to other styles

Wado, Kyokushin, Shotokan, Goju, Taikiken(po) and (Dutch-Indees) Shaolin Kempo

BTW for Tai-ki-Ken we got Hachi Dan Kin, a for you mighgt know as Ba duan gin

you are very lucky to earn such plenty of degrees in Karate......

but you insist that FEW KNOWLEDGE LEARNED IS BETTER THAN PLENTY OF KNOWLEDGE LEARNED.....

maybe i dont believe in you

[Toudiyama[NL]]

as i already said, we are now on our own since the kungfu club is already gone around 1997......

if my instructor know what i did, he will get mad cause he wants that only 15 of us will permanently knows ChiDianBun KungFu, it is not allowed to teach anyone......

but now i think, this will only lost of i dont teach it to my selected dedicated student.......

i teach him only 1 month....... he's a fast learner.......

now you see??????

i am just a kungfu student..... i am not a kungfu practitioner but i am only a kungfu student...... but you see the damages that made by my 2nd student?????????????

now i am mad about him.........

maybe i wont accept future 3rd student of mine.......

Had 2 private students, so not members of the club where I was teaching
The way I worked with them was do a lot of sparring, then show them the combination that got them time and time again ( I would do the same combo 3 or 4 time in a row and everytime "score" )
Both students used the same combo, 1 to KO a bully cold, the other to intimidate another bully (stopped an elbow, an inch in front of the bully's face and told him never evr to do it again, as I had adviced him, the guy never dared to bother him again

Privately I teach different than I do groups

you are very lucky to earn such plenty of degrees in Karate......

but you insist that FEW KNOWLEDGE LEARNED IS BETTER THAN PLENTY OF KNOWLEDGE LEARNED.....

maybe i dont believe in you

Maybe you still misunderstand me, more knowledge doesn't neccesary mean more techniques, more knowledge is also knowing more ways to apply the techniques you know

If your student could use the 23 techniques of your KF in ANY given situation, its better than knowing 3 or 4x as much techniques but only being able to apply them in a limited amount of situations

BTW, I'm not a pure Karateka, I did study several other arts, I even at one time intended to try Choy lai fut but the instructor/teacher, spoke so terrible english ( and not a word of dutch) that I chose not to do so

Following is a list of what I have done or which influenced me

Judo
Itosu ryu Karate ( probably shito ryu)
Wado Karate
Kyokushin Karate
Jo-do ( Shindo muso ryu)
ITF TKD
Iai-do ( ZKR)
Savate ( am a certified teaching in Savate)
Kick/Thai-boxing
La canne ( french stickfigting)
Ashihara Karate
jiu jitsu (dutch EBO style)
Okinawa Kobujitsu
MMA

have been influenced the most by the following teachers
J.J.Korzelius, R.Zwartjes, jon Bluming, jan Kallenbach, Patrick McCarthy, Johan Vos ( Hoost his teacher/coach) and of course my dad ( who was my first MA instructor for judo)

I nick from any art if something seems to work, still have ashitload of instructional videos on my FTP that I have to watch

I chose not to do Pentjak Silat ( indonesian) because of my own flexibility and the availlable style was one with the low stances ( plus I found them to be rather arrogant)

Because of my base in Wado karate, I was and still am able to enter a MA school and adapt very fast to their specific style, I won't go against the teacher, even if I know some stuff is crap, when I train there I will do as them
( when in rome, do as the romans do)

[Oraenor]

I agree.She's living in a dream world if she thinks karate can dominate Muay Thai,like you said 9 out of 10 x we will win.

Fight the Chick in 20yrs time, I'm very sure the odds will be in reversed!!!

[samekh]

Muay thai is derived from Kung fu, which is derived fom tai chi. So what are you ranting about? The slaves who developed muay thai couldn't do the animal movements because heir hands were tied... but if they weren't...

[MuayThaiFighter]

Muay thai is derived from Kung fu, which is derived fom tai chi. So what are you ranting about? The slaves who developed muay thai couldn't do the animal movements because heir hands were tied... but if they weren't...

WRONG,WRONG,WRONG.

Muay Thai does not come from Kung Fu at least not modern muay thai anyways,it comes from Krabi Krabong.

I thought Tai Chi came from Kung Fu not the other way around.

[UnfairFighting]

WRONG,WRONG,WRONG.

Muay Thai does not come from Kung Fu at least not modern muay thai anyways,it comes from Krabi Krabong.

I thought Tai Chi came from Kung Fu not the other way around.

TaiChi is also a branch of KungFu

[Oraenor]

WRONG,WRONG,WRONG.

Muay Thai does not come from Kung Fu at least not modern muay thai anyways,it comes from Krabi Krabong.

I thought Tai Chi came from Kung Fu not the other way around.

The birth place of Muay Thai is in China but moved down ever since.Modern Muay Thai is just western kickboxing with elbows and knees which should just be called kickboxing. Real muay thai from what I recall includes the rituals, has a backfist and doesnt quite use the whole body as much as a western boxer does for defensive reasons. Tai chi is a branch of kung fu , kungfu is just a general term for CMA.

[47MartialMan]

"Muay Thai" is overrated. It's practitioners I'm sure are very tough, but does the average person in need of self-defense on the street have the time or desire to constantly work at toughening their shins and throwing hundreds of kicks and knees a day? It is a "sport", and therefore it's techniques are more "sportive" than "combative".

I have to agree Muay Thai" is overrated. but so is many other arts. overated meaning too much exposure-too much hype on how good it is?

But the "This vs. That" is never accurate because the outcome always depend on the ability of each combatant.

[seet]

Hello people

Just like to add my 2 cents worth.
Okay i hear a lot of disagreements. and frankly you guys are just making another branch of " my dick is bigger than yours " arguements. No offence intended. Anyways..........i'm a muay thai practitioner but i'm not going to force everyone to believe that muay thai is the best. I'm just going to say what i know about muay thai. and where there might be some miss information.

Okay muay thai.......thai boxing.....basically it can mean a thai person practising just plain old fashion boxing.......
frankly, speaking a lot of what you guys see are just sports man..alot of stuff now was adopted from western techniques(we don't punch like that)..the thai boxing today is really a shadow of it's former self..... you wanna see muay thai in all it's glory watch ong bak and you'll have about 50% idea of what real muay thai is about.

things about muay thai that people didn;t know.
- muay thai has "katas" too called mae mai and luk mai.....15 each. yah i know, some say that these are counter techniques ......but we practice them as set forms too.
- muay thai has as many variations as karate. founded by various people with the idea to improve the art. Muay thai is just a general term. there's Muay Chaiya, Muay Maa Yang, Muay Korat, Paak Klang or Muay Lopburi, Muay Ayuthaya, Muay Uttaradit, Muay Lampang, Muay Sangka, blah blah blah.
- what you see in matches is like 40% of technques available in muay thai. There are a lot of other banned moves which are extremely deadly
- the famous clinching is a product of the "no attack to the groin rule" notice how they use the knee to slap the ribs in modern day clinch....to be effective you go for the balls or the face when you pull down.
- no we don't fight with glue and glass or cement type substances.....thats just silly.....the glass are just as likely to cut through the cloth that bind our hands and hurt us. and how would you grab someone to clinch if our hands were cemented. no no.....we use cloth and rope....well now we use boxing gloves...but you get the idea.
- although not as developed as jujitsu and other wrestling sports, we do have grappling techniques, joint breaking techniques and throws. these are not used in the ring because muay thai has developed into a stand up sport. throws are not used because they cause serious back injuries and there weren't many padded floor rings in olden days. These were all used for war.
- a lot of times people say they have beaten thai boxers.....okay erm....ask yourself if they mean a person who practices thai boxing? or a person who is thai and trained in thailand all his life. not to be discriminative but the thais do keep some secrets for themselves. And also not everyone can go the distance. just because he's thai doesn't mean he's the complete badass. We have our steve urkles, too.
- look muay thai and all other martial arts were develop to solve a ehem "problem" quickly, all that stand there and take the pain crap is really to entertain people. Esspecially the westerners, it's all a ego trip. i mean who is gonna pay money to see a knock out 20 sec into a match or worse still a dislocation or even death. of course you wanna see some knocking around and drama. Look at the WWF. No matter if you are fucking bruce muhammed ah lee, you've got to be really daft to stand there and take hits. we have footwork and evasive tacktics too.. i've seen it happen......one good knee counter to the neck....blocking didn't even help. one move and the attacker was neutralised ( this was not a match )! of course we do train our bodies to be hard.....but it's a last resort thing.....
- our kicks are powerful more because of our technique not because we rub our legs with bamboo and kick banana trees. we harden our shins and forearms so that we can take the powerful blows delt from an attacker. Of course the hardening does help. you see we kick with the whole turn of our body unlike karate and TKD....they use flicking techniques which is bloody fast but not as powerful.
- The banana tree was also used because it's actually quite soft, and also.....We didn't have puching bags long ago or were just too poor to afford one. You foriegners made so much hype about our hard legs that we all now have to live up to your expectations.....now we put sand in our bags and hardly any cloth.
- we do use internal strength methods 'chi' called phalang chit.
- we have a lot more kicks then what you normally see, not as many as TKD of course.

well, thats about all i can think of at this point. i hope i have helped in some way.

[Garland]

Hello people

Just like to add my 2 cents worth.
Okay i hear a lot of disagreements. and frankly you guys are just making another branch of " my dick is bigger than yours " arguements.
O.

I like my dick....it has been good to me, so, guys, if you love your dicks....leave them out of petty arguments.
M'kay.

That's a little Garland-ism, like a zen koan...read it and reflect upon it....
or I will kick you in yo nuts....and EAT YO BRAINS, Ninja! And I got the TRIGGA cuz I got the WU-TANG Sword.

"My cock is much bigger than yours...." listen to the new system of a down, CIGARO, great song.

[seet]

er......okay.......whatever that gets your jollies up man.......anyway..........

[47MartialMan]

Again, I have to emphasize;

But the "This vs. That" is never accurate because the outcome always depend on the ability of each combatant.

[ddrive]

About Muay Thai

"Muay Thai" is overrated. It's practitioners I'm sure are very tough, but does the average person in need of self-defense on the street have the time or desire to constantly work at toughening their shins and throwing hundreds of kicks and knees a day? It is a "sport", and therefore it's techniques are more "sportive" than "combative".

One thing you failed to mention about muay thai is the clinch, and the way they practice using elbows and knee in that position. That's definitely a good a set of techniques to have in a fight.