Ngo Cho Kun

[sherwinc]

Too many questions but heres the answer...

(sam chiem) have you practised it
how do rate erle montaigue's tai chi chuan
do you use a rub or qigung after iron hand training for healing
(di sip kun) what internal work does it do
a 1/4 turn of the fist for max effect on the xiphoid process in the punching as
in the te style and moving the foot/heel and waist for torque and power
have you checked out declans website for the softer/internal version of ngo cho
does the wing chun complement ngo cho and tai chi chuan
have you watched k1 or krav maga thats good for street fighting
i think kung fu is just for fun and health unless you know the dim mak in the katas
9 years practise whats the most important thing you have learned (humility)
have you heard of fa jing or trembling jin
have you mastered small circalation and grand circalation in your horse stance

1. Sam Chien
My instructor does not teach me SamChien, in GoCho he only teach me DiSipKun, Kia Be Se Training and some theories and some ways of GoCho. He teach SamChien only to one of my 15 classmate.

2. erle montaigue's tai chi chuan?
I am not familiar with his taichi and i never see him in action even though i heard his name.

3. I use dit da jow after i practice Chi Dian Bun wooden dummy, if run out i use alcohol and eficascent oil.

4. Di Sip Kun for internal?
My instructor teach us Di Sip Kun (20 punches form) because in that form you'll learn on how to bridge the gap, to be able to enter the opponent in a close distance like what a bulldozer does, at any directions. Basic form but very important.

5. have you checked out declans website for the softer/internal version of ngo cho?
As what i know, Go-Cho is a hardsoft kungfu, not a hard and soft. And when it fights its like a robot bulldozer - applicable if in short distance.

6. does the wing chun complement ngo cho and tai chi chuan?
WingChun is a Scientific / Short Distance / Shaolin MartialArts / popular in sticking hands
NgoCho is a HardSoft / Short Distance / Shaolin MartialArts / popular in IronBody thru its Chien Forms.
TaiChiChuan is a Soft / AllWeather Distance / Taoist MartialArts / popular in neutralizing thousands of tons using only an ounce of power thru circular movements.
ChiDianBun is a Scientific / Short Distance / Taoist MartialArts / popular in WalkingHands and Phoenix eye fists if it encounters an all kinds of iron body kungfu.
AngKa is Hard / Medium to Long Distance / Shaolin MartialArts / popular in iron skin and it is the sister art of GoCho(NgoChoKun)

7. 9 years practise whats the most important thing you have learned (humility)?
My reason in learning kungfu is to fight those karate/tae kwon do opponents that i have cause they are very stupid, but since years that passed then i know that learning kungfu keeps me humble a lot. The more you practice the more you keep the KungFu secretly. The more you show to public that you dont know any kungfu but when i encouter friendly sportminded martial arts match then the evidence that kungfu really beats the karate, tae kwon do, kickboxing. KungFu really works, they have no time to launch their plan of attack instead they only defend my rapid hand attacks.

8. have you mastered small circalation and grand circalation in your horse stance?
i do only kia be se (horse riding stance) in 6 minutes with my partner stands on my knees doing also kia be se.

The most important key in kungfu is to master all the hand strokes/alphabets of what you learn and to switch them example from taichi to chidianbun then immediately switch again to taichi and gocho to angka cause the opponent doesnt know what to followup they only tense their body as long as you enter them in an ultra short distance. I still have to switch to my AngKa kungfu if they suddenly fight me in a medium to long distance.

[yentao]

I know earl montaigue, he wrote this book dim mak about how to fight grapplers and its information about the forms lacks many. As you can see (AS READ THE WHOLE TOPIC), Declan's ngo cho kun is not the same to the ngo cho kun kun that is referring to this topic. It is different when you facing someone who wants you dead than who wants you lose the competition. Real fights give more dirty fights than k1 fights. Millie you mention that kung fu is just for fun unless you know dim mak? Don't you know any kung fu applications?

[millie]

hidi ho dudes

for health

[yentao]

kung fu is an interesting subject to me
i have NOT much experience with martial arts
just your forum was on the top of a list and i decided to ask some questions.
i read some interesting gear on other forums and sites so i wanted your views thank you
your style sounds like long and expensive on time and money
it seems to me to be dislocated from reality and a fantasy world like in the movies
if its so good why have we not seen more of it in any competions
its a way to make people's ego bigger and their wallets thicker by fooling students that they can use it for self-defence straight away
give me exercise to practise to prove me wrong and not empty words about the merits of ngo cho
bye bye millie

Well think what you like. Who said there is no kung fu competition? Kung Fu was not meant for fun or sports. Also, what you see in movies is just movies there is no real kung fu fight there and I would like to suggest that you don't compare it to reality.

Haha what kung fu for most westerners is the kung fu movies. That is why most chinese use kung fu to be rich is because of those beliefs. Kung fu is not really for business and kung fu was first use in fighting before it became a movie gimmick. Can't really blame the film makers, really. IT IS STRATEGY in business. Of course it can be a waste of time and moneY! Why? It always happens in the west, where in they will let you pay big and teach you poor stuff... Well you know if they teach immediately then you won't continue anymore because you know enough already? That is bad business and there is never been the easy way in martial arts.

I feel bad to people who get cheated. But there are some who only opens up to teach the good stuff once you earn their trust. Millie, I know guys like you wanted to see to believe, then feel free to look for someone who will teach you seriously because kung fu was really taught secretly. This is true even to other martial arts you know?

Good luck!

[jules]

Who said there is no kung fu competition?

Ok...

Kung Fu was not meant for fun or sports.

So all kungfu competitions are to the death/untill someone is crippled?

[yentao]

You don't get it? What i mean is it was not meant for sport. But some already begin to use it these days of course there is rules. Any competition that hasn't? Sorry for wrong grammar...

[yentao]

Ok...



So all kungfu competitions are to the death/untill someone is crippled?

All kung fu competitions are to the death/ until someone is crippled?

Don't know direct answers to that, mayBE some has did that kind of competition? Any martial art can make a competition dirty? Why, is kung fu the only martial art in the world? Nice question Jules... Do we have to generalized all the time?

[jules]

What i mean is it was not meant for sport. But some already begin to use it these days of course there is rules.

anytime there is a competition with a set of rules it is a "sport". It could be baseball, boxing, Judo, San Shou, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu or MMA.

Why, is kung fu the only martial art in the world?

other matrial arts have sport competitions. They don't deny it is a sport. MMA guys don't deny what they do is a sport. It's just a agressive and dangerous sport.

Nice question Jules... Do we have to generalized all the time?

If anyone is generalizing it is you.

[yentao]

What did i generalized? I only said it was not mean't for sports was it right? WAS NOT? Do you get what WAS means? Is that what you called generalized?

[yentao]

What I mean IS kung fu was not really train or made for competition before. Are we clear? Jules, I said " before "

[millie]

sparks and sharks

You don't get it? What i mean is it was not meant for sport. But some already begin to use it these days of course there is rules. Any competition that hasn't? Sorry for wrong grammar...

nice to see i am not the only one with grammer problems

[millie]

jewels rules

say why not

[yentao]

yentao would you be afraid of competition in the sport of kung fu
wu shu is trying to become an olympic sport
have you ever fought for real
if you did i would guess it did not look like ngo cho
competition teaches you to control your emotions
you should try some

I'm just trying to make a point. I just reply to questions, just trying to make things clear. Let's keep it cool. I think wu shu requires a lot of time so i didn't take it.

[millie]

cool dude

what other styles have you done

[Pitbullz]

to u guys that are arguing about NCK...instead of arguing,go back to your teacher and study,train harder...knowing about lineages is cool but it should not be in our head always,study your basics instead...even in the office,i still smash my arms to condition them(to my boss's irritation)...and please do not argue aboutNCK with half baked facts...imagine what people would think when they read this!!! nakakahiya...and yes,NCK works...ill happily use it in any threat,if it doesnt work for you then you hadnt known the art nor trained well with it...we spar using san shou,NCK,western boxing etc and NCK techniques and footwork never gets a back seat...

sam chien is the beginning and sam chien will be the end...bear that in mind...when in doubt,refer to sam chien kata