Ngo Cho Kun

[Nazman]

Other NCK Books

Hi Konghan,

There is one other book on NCK - published by the Fujian State Press (?). It was published about 20 - 22 years ago and I do not think it is in circulation anymore. The book offers a lot of drills and individual techniques as well as the Saam Chien and 20 punches forms. It is written in Chinese. I can give you the ISBN number and perhaps you can have better luck tracking it down than me - perhaps some Chinese websites or auction sites may have it.

Cheers,

[sherwinc]

Pardon me I was thinking of hula dancers, hip twisting lol, I actually mean waist.

The phrase " A fist is not a fist, the whole body becomes a fist", my interpretation of that in NCK principle it means the development of the go ki lat (5 powers). The power of a punch comes from the legs which is to established one self sturderly in the ground, absorbe the energy travel from the ground to the legs to the hip or waist then amplifying that power to the shoulder to the elbow then like electricity the voltage goes out to the fist. The amount of power will depend on how much one have develop his go ki lat & how deligent & serious he is in his training.

NCK, just like boxers, their punching technique is breath in thru the nose & exhale thru the mouth not thru the nose, exhaling simultaneously delivering a punch.

As far as other form like TKD, karate, Tai chi etc. I have limited knowledge on those, what I know is that tkd is like the north shaolin technique that concentrate a lot in the use of high kicking , as of now my concentration is developing my NCK. There is just so much to absorbe I don`t think we can master all form of martial arts but what we can do is master one form & be really good at it.

Ok, thanks, i thought to breath out to the nose but to breath out to the mouth is the correct way, thanks for the info.
but there is no shouting like "Kiiaaaa" during hand attack?

Karate and Tae Kwon Do oftenly shout while they attack, for me, it only deviding your power during hand attack. By that process, no USAGE OF CHI, if there's no using of CHI power, it means, no using of JING POWER.

Note:
If you compare it to a bullet..... Chi is the Fire power created inside bullet and Jing is the Projectile Bullet.

[konghan]

Ok, thanks, i thought to breath out to the nose but to breath out to the mouth is the correct way, thanks for the info.
but there is no shouting like "Kiiaaaa" during hand attack?

Karate and Tae Kwon Do oftenly shout while they attack, for me, it only deviding your power during hand attack. By that process, no USAGE OF CHI, if there's no using of CHI power, it means, no using of JING POWER.

Note:
If you compare it to a bullet..... Chi is the Fire power created inside bullet and Jing is the Projectile Bullet.

The commercialised TKD, karate & even some kung fu schools have over emphasied the use of " Kiaaaa ". Kiaaa is also use in NCK but it is use basically to generate that extra power or extra breath of stamina it is not use everytime a punch is deliver. Also there is a proper way of using kiaaa!! shout. The kiaaa shout start at the stomach, energy that is gathering in the tan tien is transfer to the shoulder then like a maufler releasing of compacted energy goes out thru the mouth, generating that extra force of power & energy to the fist in the form of KIAA!!!

I beleived that the real TKD even karate that is taught in traditonal dojo in Korea & Japan use only the kiaaaa only when they want to deliver that extra power or for generating that extra breath of stamina to energised chi power or tan tien or inner strength.

[millie]

thank you

strenght like steel soft like cotton

[konghan]

cool i am in practice
1 is there any sitting/standing medtation exercise to generate chi to help with the above
2 when you say put tension in the form do you mean all the time
3 do you use reverse or doaist breathing tech and concentrate on the dan tain when practising[/QUOTE]
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Sam chian & tien te chian will develop your chi power, it will also develop your mental awareness, conditioned you psycholigically to act automatically in a combat situation, your breathing rythm will also develop to give you that extra power & stamina. Also your endralin hormone will develop which is very important to take your fear away.

If you feel your forearm your fist, legs, fingers & shoulders & chest are getting that expanding numb sensation as a result of the tension power that you are putting on, then you will know that your chi is developing. To accomplished that, during your sam chiem routine full concentration is needed, your eyes must be focus 100 metre vision, your mind your breathing imagine there`s an opponent in front of you every movement has its purpose.

Tension is apply rhythmically combining it with your breathing, waist & leg power. Some part in sam chien require full tension like when you are pulling down after your thrust & pushing out.

I`m not familiar with daoist breathing, yes I concentrate on developing my tan tien when I`m practicing & do Ngo Cho Kun breathing technique.

[Nothingness]

Gents,

I think you should start recording your sanzhan and post the video here

[konghan]

Here is a small coaching tip for those NCK atheltes who plan to participate in contact tournamnet, specifically San Shou.

First of all the rules is San shou is no different from NCK tournament rules the only difference is that most NCK fighters are non professionals compare to san shou fighters who mostly are professional fighters.

I think in China san shou tournamnets have both amature & professional fighters mix in one category there is no classification. That being that case one really has to train hard to be able to match up with thr pro fighters.

Now a days many USA & European pro san sHou fighters are participating in China`s tournaments & many of those non-chinese are starting to win bouts. This leave many amature fighters out of the picture.

Ok, tip number one is to know the rules. Scoring points will be very important to win a boute. Fight within the rules avoid point deduction. This means donot use techniques that are not allowed.

Second, in attacking use a combination of 2 or 3 attack techniques. Example, go in with a side kick aim for the mid section ( rib area ), follow thru with a side punch ( back of fist within glove area rules allow that) aim within nose & mouth area, then use other arm grab him in a clinching fashion ( no 2 consecutive punch is allow to the head ) & execure a takedown either sideways or flip him over just make sure you land on top of him. In delivering the side kick the kick can either be a fake to allow him to open up or he may try to go for your kick for a grab. This allow his head to be open for your punch. Keep your stance strong in case he gets in be ready to counter with a take down.

Third, those chest protectors & head gears are useless, they are too thin so don`t count on those equipments to protect you. Train hard condition your self, concentrate on 2 or 3 takedown techniques & train your reflexes you need to be quick to react fast.

Forth, don`t just stand there, make your move immidiately counter attack once your opponent makes his move respond to his sleightest twitch, avoid stepping backwards the more you step back the more chances of you getting hit or falling out of the lei tai ( ring ), move sideways.

Fifth, remember the only technique that you will need in san shao are (a) kicking power, (b) punching power, (c) know how to fall, (d) know how to execute takedowns, know how to grab an incoming kick & follow it up with a twisting takedown, against an incoming fist counter with a kick & go in grab the head twist with a hip throw. Remember they don`t allow mixing it up type of fighting so execution of techniques are important to score that extra winning points.

Here in North America they have san shao too the difference is that they have seperated amature & pro fighters then they classify fighter according to years of training. Example a less than 2 year player will be group with fighters of that same category. Therefore the level of competition is more even & fighters can also develop that confidence to slowly move up to the next category.

NCK have good leg grabbing with sweeping technique that can be apply in tournaments. The powerful stance of NCK will help against takedowns. The quick powerful snap kick in NCK combine with power punching & quick foot work is an ideal technique in san shou tournamnets.

[yentao]

Here is a small coaching tip for those NCK atheltes who plan to participate in contact tournamnet, specifically San Shou.

First of all the rules is San shou is no different from NCK tournament rules the only difference is that most NCK fighters are non professionals compare to san shou fighters who mostly are professional fighters.

I think in China san shou tournamnets have both amature & professional fighters mix in one category there is no classification. That being that case one really has to train hard to be able to match up with thr pro fighters.

Now a days many USA & European pro san sHou fighters are participating in China`s tournaments & many of those non-chinese are starting to win bouts. This leave many amature fighters out of the picture.

Ok, tip number one is to know the rules. Scoring points will be very important to win a boute. Fight within the rules avoid point deduction. This means donot use techniques that are not allowed.

Second, in attacking use a combination of 2 or 3 attack techniques. Example, go in with a side kick aim for the mid section ( rib area ), follow thru with a side punch ( back of fist within glove area rules allow that) aim within nose & mouth area, then use other arm grab him in a clinching fashion ( no 2 consecutive punch is allow to the head ) & execure a takedown either sideways or flip him over just make sure you land on top of him. In delivering the side kick the kick can either be a fake to allow him to open up or he may try to go for your kick for a grab. This allow his head to be open for your punch. Keep your stance strong in case he gets in be ready to counter with a take down.

Third, those chest protectors & head gears are useless, they are too thin so don`t count on those equipments to protect you. Train hard condition your self, concentrate on 2 or 3 takedown techniques & train your reflexes you need to be quick to react fast.

Forth, don`t just stand there, make your move immidiately counter attack once your opponent makes his move respond to his sleightest twitch, avoid stepping backwards the more you step back the more chances of you getting hit or falling out of the lei tai ( ring ), move sideways.

Fifth, remember the only technique that you will need in san shao are (a) kicking power, (b) punching power, (c) know how to fall, (d) know how to execute takedowns, know how to grab an incoming kick & follow it up with a twisting takedown, against an incoming fist counter with a kick & go in grab the head twist with a hip throw. Remember they don`t allow mixing it up type of fighting so execution of techniques are important to score that extra winning points.

Here in North America they have san shao too the difference is that they have seperated amature & pro fighters then they classify fighter according to years of training. Example a less than 2 year player will be group with fighters of that same category. Therefore the level of competition is more even & fighters can also develop that confidence to slowly move up to the next category.

NCK have good leg grabbing with sweeping technique that can be apply in tournaments. The powerful stance of NCK will help against takedowns. The quick powerful snap kick in NCK combine with power punching & quick foot work is an ideal technique in san shou tournamnets.

Does this type of tournament allow the use of elbows and knees?

[konghan]

Does this type of tournament allow the use of elbows and knees?

If my memory serves me right, elbow & knees used to be allowed during the 1980`s the original san shou rules it is use to hit the body area only not the head.

Now, I beleived they have disallowed the use of the knees & elbow except in full contact san shou ( pro fights although there isn`t much difference the only difference is that they remove the chest, head & shin guards ) it is allowed.

In fact 2 years ago there was a tournament, san shou vs karate the winner san shou the score 5-0. Then there was san shou vs muay thai the winner san shou the score 3-2.

NCK sparring rules are basically the same as san shou the only difference is that san shou is a sunction & supported sport by the Chinese goverment & majority of fighters there are pro or train like pros. Also san shou is now being marketed & commercialised by franchised sports networks like the IKBA.

To train for ring tournament one really has to put a lot of time & effort its all about spending 4 x or 5x /week about 5-6 hours of training, concentrating on those kicks, punch, takedown techniques, stamina, speed & reflexes.

At least now we know that kung fu is truelly the most powerful martial art & that China is truly the home of champions of martial art fighters.

[yentao]

If my memory serves me right, elbow & knees used to be allowed during the 1980`s the original san shou rules it is use to hit the body area only not the head.

How about the back fist or the round house punch? Grappling and bridgehand techniques? Are they allowed in San Shou?

[konghan]

How about the back fist or the round house punch? Grappling and bridgehand techniques? Are they allowed in San Shou?

Yes, backfist is allowed as long as it is within the glove area not the wrist or forearm area ( ngo ki ). Grappling is not really allowed becuase fighters have 5 seconds to execute a takedown or throw once they clinch so basically there is no time for grappling or for any submission holds.

Bridgehand is ok if you can execute it properly with those boxing gloves on, but I doubt it will work because the other guy will go in for a clinch in preparation to execute a takedown.

The rules in san shou are geared to prevent injuries & is base for amature fighters. But most & I think all of the chinese fighters are of professional calibre.

Points are awarded once a successful hit, a punch or kick or a takedown is executed. Grabbing of legs is allowed, continouse punching to the head is not allowed there must be a two or three second interval before another punch to the head is allowed. In other words execution of techniques would look something likethis; punch, then kick then punch again or execute a takedown. Then the referee will step in to award a plus or minus point. Then fight resume again.

That is why most of the chinese fighters concentrate a lot on kicking, a powerful kick can rock or stunt a defender allowing the attacker to follow up his kick with a takedown.

[jingshen]

getting back to ngo cho ...and sam chien..

If you practice it with tension how do you learn to generate power?
With tension the body will not flow? the power generated from the waist will not be able to travel through the shoulders and out through the arms?

Also with regards to developing chi, how is the chi to flow if the limbs and torso are tense? all other chi developemtn systems require relaxed focussed movements.....why does this differ?

I am not asking in a negative sense i only wish to know you rpoint of viewe regarding training methods

[konghan]

getting back to ngo cho ...and sam chien..

If you practice it with tension how do you learn to generate power?
With tension the body will not flow? the power generated from the waist will not be able to travel through the shoulders and out through the arms?

Also with regards to developing chi, how is the chi to flow if the limbs and torso are tense? all other chi developemtn systems require relaxed focussed movements.....why does this differ?

I am not asking in a negative sense i only wish to know you rpoint of viewe regarding training methods

NCK is hard to soft, in sam chien, the tensioning will develop the internal muscle as well. Tensioning is let go in the thrusting and transfer to the fingertips. The thrusting is release like a whip with the use of the legs & hips to the shoulders exhaling. Pulling in getting ready for the thrust breath in. There would probably be a jerking motion of the body. After the double thrust, in droping the arm down to 90 degree with the elbow towards the side of your stomuch tensioning is apply again together in breathing inhale when the arm is about to go down exhale when it is all the way down.

The breathing combine with the proper tensioning of muscle will develop your chi.

You must remember tensioning is different from being stiff. Tensioning make your muscles more alert.

I wish I can personally show you how it is done but I hope that my explanation is clear enough if not I`ll try my best to rephrase & search for the right words & sentences.

[jingshen]

how does it help develop chi?

I understood chi development to come about through relaxation?

When you hit out do you relax?

does the tensioning not reduce the effect of rooting ?

surely the whipping motion is done in a relaxed manner?

i don't mean to be argumentative, as you said it is difficult to explain and easier to demonstrate.

I do practice ngo cho so have a good understanding of the form but am from a different lineage so the form is perfromed relaxed, i really would like to understand how the tensionig benefits in dveloping chi/technique/application?

regards

[Pitbullz]

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