Ngo Cho Kun

[yentao]

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[krys]

Thanks for the info Yentao,

I will check it out, I guess both places are equally good. Maybe it is better to go to Kong Han if I can get more lessons as I am staying only one month in August, although I will setle to Manila in 2004 and will be able to train longer then......

Thanks,
Christian.

[yentao]

oh boy sorry

[krys]

Good to know that.
I do not want to learn modern Wushu, prefer traditional martial arts.....
I will contact my friend who is Alex Co's student......

By the way did you see the Ngo Cho Kun video tapes? What do you think of them?
I just ordered the book, do you think one can learn properly Sam Chiem from this material?
Sam Chien is the basis of the style isn't it?


Thanks,
Christian.

[yentao]

what am i saying...

[yentao]

Sam Chien is the basic form of the art...

[krys]

Hello Yentao,

Back in China master Chua Giok Beng usually make his new students practice Sam Chien almost 800 times before he teach them new forms.

I can't wait to get the video/book.
My friend in Manila told me last time I should practice the Sam Chien form in order not to injure myself when I'll practice conditioning....
I may ask you some questions, if you don't mind, on the form once I'll get the material......

We used our Ngo Ki Lat (Five Parts power) in fighting...

Do you mean breaking your opponents defenses by causing pain after a block?

When you said Beng Kiam is no longuer teaching openly is it because peoples get less interested in martial arts and only the older peoples practice it? Because they do not want to be betrayed?

I visited once the Penang Athletic Sao Lim Association, a very famous school, on my way to Indonesia and I was told that they had less and less dedicated students......

I know traditional Arnis and traditional Silat ( other martial arts I practice) are dying, a lot has already been lost, just hope this will not be the case with CMAs in South East Asia.....

[yentao]

Shie shie

[krys]

Hello Yentao,

Oh I forgot Yu Chiok Sam he was Chua's bodyguard and the first one to be able to publish a book on Ngo Cho Kun its a complete reference on Ngo Cho Kun hand tecniques but no longer available (alex co has a copy).

Alex Co gave my friend two small black books on Tan Lang (praying manthis).
( I was told Alex also knows the White Crane, and Hsing I).

(Beng Kiam increase the hand techniques from the original 107 to over 200 ).

So you mean Beng Kiam improved the style?
Is it the place where it was first taught in the Philippines?

Ngo Cho Kun seems to have lots of hand techniques... i guess there is a lot of traping,
does Ngo Cho Kun also rely on something like chi-sao (sticking hands)?[


Thanks,
Christian.

[yentao]

Alleluia

[yentao]

Sien

[krys]

Hello Yentao,

The malaysian chinese (his grandfather taught the art to him) who first told me about the art said that Ngo Cho Kun was brought to Borneo by soldiers of the Tai Ping revolt against the Qing dynasty who fled there at the end of the war.
Is Ngo Cho Kun related to the struggle against the Qings?
Was Tan Ka Hong the grandmaster of the system?

He made a lot more punishing but can give better results.

I heard that you have to hit yourself while doing some forms after gaining some knowledge of the art.

You'll wonder why most of his students didn't master all the forms.

I guess there are many forms.
How about weapons?

Thanks,
Christian.

[yentao]

forgive me but there are things that is best to be left alone.

[yentao]

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[krys]

Hello Yentao,

Can I know the name of the man you are talking about, his name maybe or his father's?

I can't remember his familly name, I will send it through e-mail if I find it out.
He may be related to John Chow (one of Alex Co friends) but I am not sure. Anyway I will ask John for Ngo Cho Kun details in Sabah (Borneo)....
I was told many martial arts experts fled from China to Borneo at the end of the Tai Ping wars.
Several peoples said to me the general level of chinese martial arts is very high in South East Asia because they kept the arts combative......

I know only some weapons that almost all lineage has the Cutting Horse Knife and the sai.

How is the Cutting Horse knive? Is it like the Wing Chun Butterfly knive?
The Sai can also be found in some forms of Silat.
I think the Sai was used to work rice, so it should be a common weapon in Asia given the important rice culture.

Mister Tan Ka Hong is strict some student really has to stay with him for years before teaching them.

I am not in a hurry to learn the weapons of Ngo Cho Kun, as I am still young. Just curious to see if they are used like in Arnis.... or if there was some Arnis influence given that Ngo Cho Kun is very popular in the Philippines.

Thanks,
Christia.

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