Tai Chi,good self-defense art or not?

[Mephariel]

All of which targeted the secret dim mak points of super-duper deadly-ish-ness that only the ancient masters who now dwell in the gardens of the celestial palace know.

Your stupidity is breath-taking.

Dim Mak was a real technique. There is nothing mystical about it either. You are simply focusing your entire energy of your body to strike at pressure points to stop your opponent. In real life modern fighting however, dim mak is not practical because in a real fight your opponent is not going to stand there and watch you channel your internal energy and let you strike them.

[Redpine]

Man, if you doubt Tai Chi as a martial art simply go learn a posture like "Golden Pheasant Stands On One Leg". Then drive that rising knee from the posture into your sparring buddy's groin and you will see just how effective Tai Chi really is . Sometimes pain can be our teacher to.

[jubaji]

however in an actual attack if you want to injure the person you fajin instead.

Because of course fajin (magic word! magic word!) is invariably deadly!

[jubaji]

Man, if you doubt Tai Chi as a martial art .

No one has doubted it, except perhaps the guy who seems determined to make a joke of it with his comic-book boy nonsense.

[Redpine]

No one has doubted it, except perhaps the guy who seems determined to make a joke of it with his comic-book boy nonsense.

Arggg, he's the one I was pointing at.

[BoarSpear]

Well it looks like the experts are here to talk about taiji, hmmmm people wonder why the CMA forums are dead? Im out, enjoy jubaji's wisdom on the subject

[jubaji]

Well it looks like the experts are here to talk about taiji, hmmmm :

More proof, if any was needed, that this is all about your tender ego.

[knifethrower]

In real life modern fighting however, dim mak is not practical because in a real fight your opponent is not going to stand there and watch you channel your internal energy and let you strike them.

Real life modern fighting as apposed to fake historical fighting? People didn’t kill people in the 1700s and 1800s? You lost me on that one, dude.

[treelizard]

jubaji, what is it exactly that boarspear's saying that you're taking issue with? i think we'd all agree that there ARE potential knock-out or lethal points on the body, whether you're looking at TCM points or even in Western medicine, if you hit the occipus the person will drop, which *could* be lethal depending on what they hit their head on, on the way down. We all know that hitting someone in certain spots on the head and throat could cause serious damage or death. This isn't comic book fantasy, it's just basic science. So what gives?

More proof, if any was needed, that this is all about your tender ego.

[treelizard]

Dim Mak was a real technique. There is nothing mystical about it either. You are simply focusing your entire energy of your body to strike at pressure points to stop your opponent. In real life modern fighting however, dim mak is not practical because in a real fight your opponent is not going to stand there and watch you channel your internal energy and let you strike them.

You know, people always say things like that--that in real life you'll never be able to use anything you train in because you won't have time... but I found the opposite to be the case in my real life situations. Time slowed down something crazy and I had tons of time to plan my next move. I just couldn't get my hands to work, is all.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Is Tai Chi or taiji really dim mak? Im so confused...

[jubaji]

jubaji, what is it exactly that boarspear's saying that you're taking issue with? i think we'd all agree that there ARE potential knock-out or lethal points on the body, whether you're looking at TCM points or even in Western medicine, if you hit the occipus the person will drop, which *could* be lethal depending on what they hit their head on, on the way down. We all know that hitting someone in certain spots on the head and throat could cause serious damage or death. This isn't comic book fantasy, it's just basic science. So what gives?

That's just the problem. Of course there are vulnerable areas on the body (ALL of the areas of the body are vulnerable in a way) and if it can be built it can be broke. Of course taijiquan is a legitimate MA. Of course if you do certain things it will be highly-less-than-beneficial to whomever you are doing it to. Etc, etc, etc. But to take things to such silly extremes as to propose that someone who studies taijiquan is far too deadly to ever demonstrate their awesome power without causing massive death and destruction is detrimental to all TMA. The fantasies of teenage boys superimposed on an actual art tend to smear that art. Taijiquan masters may have fast hands, but so do pro boxers, so do pro piano players for that matter! No need to sink to dragonball foolishness. Fajing can generate a lot of power, but does not spell certain death for its unsuspecting victim. I've been hit by taijiquan masters, and football players, and wrestlers, and boxers, and cars, etc. It all hurts, but its not video game fantasy where people fly through the air 100 yards (and you can see the wire on their back). I've been in scraps with folks who were very strong taijiquan practitioners (with, not against), and when all was said and done no one was dead or dangling from the tops of tall trees. I've sparred with these same folks and while very impressed, no more impressed than by other well trained fighters I've sparred with. Taijiquan is great, but its not magic and anyone who tries to sell it as such is doing a disservice to real people who train a real art in real life, not in comic-book fantasy land. Pride comes sneaking in and people feel like they just have to be the expert and this leads to skeptical responses which isolate that person more and more until he feels the need to justify his position by going to ever greater extremes to show the true depth of his knowledge that the unbelievers cannot know! This, predictably, brings more skeptical responses and the cycle continues going to ever more ridiculous extremes.

[treelizard]

Is Tai Chi or taiji really dim mak? Im so confused...

Stick to the triangle chokes, big guy.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Here's a good understanding on what Fa Jing is by the real experts...http://www.dynamicbalancingtaichi.co.uk/Fa%20jing.htm After reading this, its seems like complete bull.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Stick to the triangle chokes, big guy.

At least i know they work