Tai Chi,good self-defense art or not?

[TTEscrima]

I'm not surprised, 'cause for little theory-boys like you and Ponytail thats what MA is: memorizing 'information' like children with their Yugiyo cards instead of training and testing physical skills. No wonder you can play make-believe and convince yourselves you are badasses.



"B-b-back off mister! I know lineage!"

Ok, I'm bored, time to spell it out and then it's on ignore for you for good clown.

Uncle Chen has ALWAYS been called Uncle Chen, his son Chen Xili is called " 9th little Uncle" because they've always used Uncle and Kung Fu extended family titles instead of Sifu.

Chen Tai Chi (Chen Taiji) .eu - Chen Quanzhong

Chen style uses Small and Large frame and is commonly called Original frame and its common knowledge you lacked or you'd haver jumped at the chance to shut me down.

ChinaFromInside.com presents... TAIJIQUAN - Small Frame of Chen Style Taijiquan

Uncle Chen is recognized for introducing Xinjia (new frame) into the curriculum during the time you claim to have learned a long and short form (they're called first and second lao jia forms btw) which wasn't the curriculum during the time frame you claimed to have learned. Further Uncle Chen's student first waigouren student was and is James Cravens who heads the US Chen association. Uncle Chen moved to Xi'an in 1940 James began his study in Xi'an under Uncle Chen in 1988 and stayed there until 1996 when he left to come to the US to start ACT, but he wasn't in your class and you were Uncles first waigouren in Xi'an in 94 LOL. Oh I can hear it now, "I meant the first waigouren of 1994" however, THAT distinction goes to Dan Miller who had been studying with Ling Chen and Uncle Chen's son Chen Xili prior to 94, none of your BS adds up to anything except lies.

Chen Tai Chi (Chen Taiji) .eu - Chen Style Tai Chi Chuan

Chen Taijiquan, Old Frame, First Form, Laojia Yilu: Bibliography, Links, List, Information

You'll note also all the terms I used are common in the lineage you claimed, you remind me of the clowns who say "yeah I know Karate" but when you put them on the spot they admit they haven't done a form in 20 years and can't name the forms or explain the basics of the art.

If you weren't given the verbal and written instructions then you wouldn't have any basis for the movements which is why learning them is stressed by Uncle Chen, except when he taught you. I've wasted enough time on you and your pedigree of lies. Blather away you're on ignore.

Video of the Chen's teaching waigouren Tai chi in the park.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KD5k4uKdoDk

Looks like those group classes in the park produce some real skill eh? Be sure to proclaim you know Tai Chi because you studied in a park in China and and that makes your training legitimate.

[jubaji]

Well that's all mighty interesting 'cause I never met anybody by the name of James Cravens while I was living and training in Xi'an. Did you? Never ran into anyone named Dan Miller either. I was told I was the first foreigner Chen Quanzhong had trained. Did he tell you something different? That's all news to me. You'd think I would have at least run into these folks while I was there, but no.

Maybe you better ask the man himself instead of cutting and pasting from websites and repeating "Uncle Chen" over and over.

[jubaji]

Oh you didn't , did you?

If you weren't given the verbal and written instructions then you wouldn't have any basis for the movements which is why learning them is stressed by Uncle Chen.

Is that how it was when you trained with him? Like I said, that's not how it was when I did.

[Tant01]

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[DickHardman]

jubaji and ttescrima are obviously talking about 2 different people, they havent realized it yet.

jubaji was talking about this uncle chen Uncle Chen

its a different guy.

[Tant01]

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lol

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Uncle Chen is recognized for introducing Xinjia (new frame) into the curriculum during the time you claim to have learned a long and short form (they're called first and second lao jia forms btw) which wasn't the curriculum during the time frame you claimed to have learned. Further Uncle Chen's student first waigouren student was and is James Cravens who heads the US Chen association. Uncle Chen moved to Xi'an in 1940 James began his study in Xi'an under Uncle Chen in 1988 and stayed there until 1996 when he left to come to the US to start ACT, but he wasn't in your class and you were Uncles first waigouren in Xi'an in 94 LOL. Oh I can hear it now, "I meant the first waigouren of 1994" however, THAT distinction goes to Dan Miller who had been studying with Ling Chen and Uncle Chen's son Chen Xili prior to 94, none of your BS adds up to anything except lies.

Little clarification: Jubaji isn't white (he's asian) and speaks mandarin.

And if you must use pingyin its Waiguo ren. Guo means country, gou, as you used it, means dog.

But I'll leave you two Shirley's to keep duking it out, have fun.

[taoistscholar]

what the fk are you guys talking about?

[Bjjexpertise@be]

They're arguing about legitimacy and lineage. I was simply correcting his mandarin.Waiguo ren basically means "foreigner."

[taoistscholar]

oh i see...

[jubaji]

They're arguing about legitimacy and lineage.

Not even. I couldn't care less about that stuff. My only point is that ridiculous claims are unnecessary and counter productive and "you wouldn't know" is not an excuse that holds water. Pretense and 'theory' as the foundation for dismissive self-importance is empty and pathetic.

[shaolin-warrior]

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Do we know what thread holds the record? Sorry off topic, just curious.

[Little Apple]

The "quotes for martial artists to live by" thread only has 52 Pages, 762 posts, and 68,957 views. Are there any others that come close?

[Red Rum]

Does anyone know what the biggest kind of ant exists in the world?
Sorry, I thought this thread was for asking random irrelevant questions...

[taoistscholar]

were talking about tai chi and it effectiveness, not its history.

Give me a reason why the history of tai chi is even important.