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  • Originally posted by sherwinc
    as the saying goes:
    absorb what is useful
    reject what is useless
    add especially what is your own
    Didn't Bruce Lee say this? And didn't Bruce reject tradtitional martial arts including KF?

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    • Originally posted by sherwinc
      My KungFu Instructor doesnt teach next technique if you could not master your previous technique, you should master your technique a thousand times before learning next technique or alphabets

      this until i reach many techniques of different branches of KungFu

      as the saying goes:
      absorb what is useful
      reject what is useless
      add especially what is your own

      and i finally master it all that i previously learned for almost 10years

      how about you? you only master 5 techniques in 10 years????

      and i did apply it all that i learned to spar those black belt karate and tae kwon do opponents to the ratio of 2:22 and i use all of that i learned....

      as i said before, my Instructor doesnt teach another technique if you could not master or perfect just one movement......

      the more the beautiful the movement is the more it is deadly.....

      i hope you get what i mean.... in each movement there are 6 to more applications in each, but there is still more up to 10 applications in each movement or alphabets if you only continue practice gradually and in time to time, achievement....

      CONVINCED??????

      man....i hate to say this...but u are making urself look so much more stupid as the day wears on that it is sickning...what's that saying?..if u have a hard time making a point, then u probably don't have one
      learn it
      and then learn from it

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      • I have had my suspicions for a while now but now I am convinced that sherwinc is putting us all on, a troll just looking to harass and irritate us for his or her own amusement.

        Honestly "the more the beautiful the movement is the more it is deadly....." Is the dumbest most stupid thing I have ever heard? How do you argue against someone who is insane? This is ridiculous!

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        • Okay I'm not not done.

          I got your alphabet right here. a,b,c and a word would be A= acid, B= base as in free basing, C= crack! and a sentence would be: Get into rehab now!-

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          • Originally posted by darrianation
            Didn't Bruce Lee say this? And didn't Bruce reject tradtitional martial arts including KF?
            Not true he only rejected apects of the traditional arts like practice of forms instead of practice of fighting.Muay thai,boxing,kung fu,karate are all traditional MAs and he took from all of them if im not mistaken.

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            • Bruce Lee rejected the "formalized" notions of traditionalists. It doesn't mean that he discredits traditional practicioners. He rejected the over-formalization of the training methods that inhibit the usefuleness and effectiveness of the methods.

              Basically, he believes that all movement must be efficient and useful; he rejects the notion of movements for movements themself, or for the shake of beauty.

              If you notice, he also urges a fundamental training. All effective combat methods have this kind of fundamental training.

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              • Just came to add my 2 cents.

                I recall one person that posted in what i believe to be page 8 of this thread that Wing chun or Taichi could beat Muay Thai due to the fact that they have fewer strikes. I would just like to say that fewer strikes would just mean they spend more time practicing them and that they would excel in those strikes. Unlike Wingchun or Tai chi where you spread your time on your 5,000,000,000 moves.
                Muay Thai Fighters also excel in clinch fighting. From what I read about Taichi and what I picked up from my father, Taichi is just a fancy form of clinch fighting. A Tai chi fighter can not beat a MTF at what he does best, clinch fighting.
                Unlike wrist grabs and such, MTF's generally do body locks. You will have no possible way to redirect their strikes. And while you are trying to get free, they are kneeing, elbowing, and breaking your balance.

                In conclusion, MTF IMO is simply superior to Tai Chi.











                Let the flaming start, lol.

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                • Lets not start this crap again please!

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                  • Originally posted by Nothingness
                    Bruce Lee rejected the "formalized" notions of traditionalists. It doesn't mean that he discredits traditional practicioners. He rejected the over-formalization of the training methods that inhibit the usefuleness and effectiveness of the methods.

                    Basically, he believes that all movement must be efficient and useful; he rejects the notion of movements for movements themself, or for the shake of beauty.

                    If you notice, he also urges a fundamental training. All effective combat methods have this kind of fundamental training.
                    True he did take the things that worked from Traditional martial arts but in a interview he was asked his thoughts about traditional MAs (Talking about mostly the prearranged sparring) and Bruce responded "It would be better to go back to your basement work on the heavy bag and of course spar as much as you can" (not exact words but close enough) But true enough there were and are good things in traditional MAs. The thing is what are good things and what are bad things, this is relative and this is what the debate has been about.

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                    • Let's get a third party for a comparisson. Let both the MuayThai and Taiji pracitioners fight this 3rd party as an objective assesment. While I am still obsessed with it, let them both fight a BEAR. Let's see who survives and I will be his humble student.

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                      • Originally posted by darrianation
                        Okay I'm not not done.

                        I got your alphabet right here. a,b,c and a word would be A= acid, B= base as in free basing, C= crack! and a sentence would be: Get into rehab now!-
                        you are the most stupid fighter that i ever met..... what i mean is... the more fighting strategy you learn is the best than few.....

                        if you say 5 alphabets of attacks to master is better than 26 alphabets - you are extremely wrong.....

                        maybe you are only using vowels (and never to use consonants) to communicate.....

                        well, i can use your 26 english alphabets in order to compose 5 million of english words to sentence.... and even Filipino still i can use your 26 english alphabets just to compose Filipino words to sentences.... then how can i make those things if i only knew 5 alphabets??????

                        since in kungfu..... a single alphabets (there are 6 to more applications in each single alphabets) multiply to 108 plus 55 plus 25 plus a few moves of AngKa and TanTui KungFu (SpringLeg Style KungFu)

                        Here is a good question for you DiarrheaNation:
                        1. Using your Karate's Downward Block, how can you apply it in 6 Defensive Moves and 6 Offensive Moves????
                        note: you can increase it up to 10 Defensive Moves and 10 Offensive Moves using only Downward Block of Karate if you are very lucky.....

                        but for me??? my answer is NONE. Why???? cause Karate's Downward Block is only a Downward blocking of opponent's feet or downward blocking of opponent's low fist attack.

                        Here is a good example for you to understand what i mean, DiarrheaNation:
                        1. Using WingChun's FookSau, how can i apply it in 6 Defensive Moves and 6 Offensive Moves????
                        Answer:
                        FookSau is use to: 1. using fooksau to stick and trap the opponent's low hand attacking Bridge 2. using fooksau, its fingers can be used to strike opponents eyes 3. using fooksau's elbow to strike opponents low hand bridge or opponents kicking shin 4. using fooksau to release the single eye of the opponent but it is applied in a full small circling motion 5. using fooksau to smash opponents bridge forearm as a defensive or offensive moves 6. using fooksau to hit the back of the opponents face while you are facing him in front 7. using right fooksau to break the opponents knee cap after capturing using left wu sau 8. using right fooksau to bring down the opponents bridgehand while preparing to launch an another effective left fooksau to strike opponents groin...... 9. there still more fooksau if you only knew how to use it - that if you only practice it gradually and in time to time you will know it and understand what i mean.....

                        Note:
                        so you see????? even you know only 1 alphabet of wingchun and you only know Fooksau for example, still you can use that fooksau up to 20 types of FookSau hand attack to make your non-kungfu opponent confuse if what should they do to defend your attack, even you only knew 1 wingchun alphabet still non-kungfu opponent cannot beat you.....

                        then how about if you know and mastered the 108 of wingchun plus the 55 of chidianbun plus the 25 of NgoChoKun???????

                        wingchun has 108 hand attacks
                        chidianbun has more than 200 hand attacks
                        ngochokun has more than 200 hand attacks also

                        but 10 years of practice of mine and i only got 108 plus 55 plus 25, but i still have to research and practice some more cause i am not contented with what i learn.......

                        CONVINCED???????

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                        • Originally posted by Bjjexpertise@be
                          Just came to add my 2 cents.

                          I recall one person that posted in what i believe to be page 8 of this thread that Wing chun or Taichi could beat Muay Thai due to the fact that they have fewer strikes. I would just like to say that fewer strikes would just mean they spend more time practicing them and that they would excel in those strikes. Unlike Wingchun or Tai chi where you spread your time on your 5,000,000,000 moves.
                          Muay Thai Fighters also excel in clinch fighting. From what I read about Taichi and what I picked up from my father, Taichi is just a fancy form of clinch fighting. A Tai chi fighter can not beat a MTF at what he does best, clinch fighting.
                          Unlike wrist grabs and such, MTF's generally do body locks. You will have no possible way to redirect their strikes. And while you are trying to get free, they are kneeing, elbowing, and breaking your balance.

                          In conclusion, MTF IMO is simply superior to Tai Chi.











                          Let the flaming start, lol.


                          You are correct about Muay Thai.Your thoughts about Muay Thai vs.Tai Chi is very true.

                          People seem to think the more fancy techniques they learn the more effective their art is which is just not so.Although having many options to winning a fight is good it is not always necessary especially if techniques are too complicating and too fancy to use in an actual confrontation.

                          Just because an art has 1000's of techniques doesn't mean you will win,because although you may remember all those moves in class how many will you actually remember or think of using when put in a confrontation where you have no choice but to fight back? Chances are you will only use like 5 of those moves at at time if not less.

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                          • People seem to think tai chi movements are fancy because they dont understand them.They are really pretty simple.

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                            • Originally posted by guy incognito
                              People seem to think tai chi movements are fancy because they dont understand them.They are really pretty simple.
                              as i know, before the tai chi chuan fighter fights, he usually look upon on what obstacles that might be there sorruounding upon his opponent.

                              for example:
                              1. the presence of sharp or medium stone at the ground behind his opponent....
                              2. the presence of a sharp/hard corner wall at the back of his opponent....
                              3. the presence of a sharp very low ceiling fan on top of his opponents head....
                              4. the presence of an oncoming jeep at the back of his opponent....
                              5. the presence of a thick wall at the back of the tai chi fighter.....
                              6. the presence of a table and chair at the back of the opponent.....

                              no, i will not purely use my own moves just to make my opponent collide to those obstacles.... but, its my own opponent who use his own self to collide to this obstacles..... USING TAI CHI CHUAN......

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                              if there is no obstacles that i found sorrounding upon my opponent, then i use hand strikings of taichi and not pushing, also i will use all the kicking techniques of taichi chuan (shadowless kicks and unfathomable / unlimited hand alphabets of techniques) but of these relies on its pushing hands before attempting to use either of the movements of its set pattern (tai chi kata)

                              Muay Thai is very useless cause they compare their few techniques against plenty of techiniques..... just like comparing typewriter to a computer and the winner is typewriter

                              computer has many options, you can do scan picture, scan wrong spelling before printing, edit text and save that file for future use.... unlike typwriter using white-out liquid paper to paper if get wrong spelling cause if you press key A or any Key and it already printed that character unto paper and the winner is typewriter......

                              plenty of options like comparing Sony Playstation versus PC Games and the winner is sony playstation

                              Kungfu has plenty of options compare to a useless MuayThai and extremely useless Karate and Tae Kwon Do

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                              • Originally posted by sherwinc
                                as i know, before the tai chi chuan fighter fights, he usually look upon on what obstacles that might be there sorruounding upon his opponent.

                                for example:
                                1. the presence of sharp or medium stone at the ground behind his opponent....
                                2. the presence of a sharp/hard corner wall at the back of his opponent....
                                3. the presence of a sharp very low ceiling fan on top of his opponents head....
                                4. the presence of an oncoming jeep at the back of his opponent....
                                5. the presence of a thick wall at the back of the tai chi fighter.....
                                6. the presence of a table and chair at the back of the opponent.....

                                no, i will not purely use my own moves just to make my opponent collide to those obstacles.... but, its my own opponent who use his own self to collide to this obstacles..... USING TAI CHI CHUAN......

                                Note:
                                if there is no obstacles that i found sorrounding upon my opponent, then i use hand strikings of taichi and not pushing, also i will use all the kicking techniques of taichi chuan (shadowless kicks and unfathomable / unlimited hand alphabets of techniques) but of these relies on its pushing hands before attempting to use either of the movements of its set pattern (tai chi kata)

                                Muay Thai is very useless cause they compare their few techniques against plenty of techiniques..... just like comparing typewriter to a computer and the winner is typewriter

                                computer has many options, you can do scan picture, scan wrong spelling before printing, edit text and save that file for future use.... unlike typwriter using white-out liquid paper to paper if get wrong spelling cause if you press key A or any Key and it already printed that character unto paper and the winner is typewriter......

                                plenty of options like comparing Sony Playstation versus PC Games and the winner is sony playstation

                                Kungfu has plenty of options compare to a useless MuayThai and extremely useless Karate and Tae Kwon Do
                                Do you realize how stupid you sound saying shit like this?

                                More options may be better when it comes to computers however in fighting it is different.Just because you have more techniques in Tai Chai doesn't mean you have more choices than you do in Muay Thai which according to you is useless.What good is learning lots of techniques that are useless for self-defense when you can have few techniques which are very effective.

                                I would rather become a professional at 5 techniques instead of being just okay at 1,000 techniques which wouldn't save your ass on the street anyways.

                                "Muay Thai is very useless cause they compare their few techniques against plenty of techiniques"

                                It's not about how many techniques you have it's about how effective what you know is.Tai Chi gives more options then a street fighter with no martial arts experience yet the street fighter would beat the crap out of any Tai Chi person and why is this? Simply because they know what it is like to hit and be hit,they don't practice punching air or learning fancy techniques that do shit.No offense to those doing Tai Chi but push hand techniques may work in class or against someone drunk and have the person fall over but in an actual confrontation between to sober people it will do absolutely nothing but it doesn't take Tai Chi to have a drunk person fall over.

                                "Kungfu has plenty of options compare to a useless MuayThai and extremely useless Karate and Tae Kwon Do"

                                Karate and Tae Kwon Do have about same amount of options as Kung Fu.What options do these arts really have anyways? Very few since about 60-70% or more of stuff taught would never work in self-defense situation.So when it comes down to it Kung Fu,Karate,TKD actually don't have as many techniques that will work as Muay Thai does even if we learn less techniques.

                                What's better learing only 60-70% of techniques that may work or 95-99.99% of techniques that will work? I would say the 95-99.99% which comes from Muay Thai.So Muay Thai comes out the winner.

                                Tai Chi is made up of set patterns known in karate as katas,face it learning set patterns does absolutely nothing for a real confrontation.In a street fight
                                you have to be prepared and can only fight according to how you are attacked and need to defend yourself, you don't know what is going to happen until it does so it is impossible to predict.No two people fight or react exactly the same so to set certain patterns or forms for learning techniques is useless.

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