Tai Chi,good self-defense art or not?

[treelizard]

P.S. http://www.scheele.org/lee/classics.html

[kingoftheforest]

You don't even have to go to Chinese masters for this if you don't want to

You're right you don't I didn't. But i'd think the people who developed and taught the system...well their input might be the ultimate source you want to check.

[treelizard]

You're right you don't I didn't. But i'd think the people who developed and taught the system...well their input might be the ultimate source you want to check.

Understood. Was writing mostly in response to Shard.

I'm pretty familiar with how Western medicine ends up validating TCM over and over and over again, too. Find it useful to point that out to people. (Of course that has nothing to do with taiji...sorry. Carry on...)

[BoarSpear]

Duh, i was being sarcastic.

Well hey, with your past post history..........

[BoarSpear]

Understood. Was writing mostly in response to Shard.

I'm pretty familiar with how Western medicine ends up validating TCM over and over and over again, too. Find it useful to point that out to people. (Of course that has nothing to do with taiji...sorry. Carry on...)

Smartass

Each move in the Taiji form does contain a healing move, a strike, and a chin-na application. However if you try to apply the meridians, the elements and the Baqua triagrams with your taiji fighting applications, you're in for a rude awakening in a fight.

If you wanna open another thread and discuss TCM/ meridain flows/non meridian TCM/dimmak I'm there I can just put jubaji on ignore, I'm strongly considering it anyway.

[jubaji]

not much more room to run away

I can just put jubaji on ignore, I'm strongly considering it anyway.

You'd better, braveheart. You're fast running out of ways to defend your fantasies and psychoses.

[BoarSpear]

You'd better, braveheart. You're fast running out of ways to defend your fantasies and psychoses.

So, did you practice the taiji you learned from the "most legitimate taiji master in the world" today?

Run? from you? Hahahahaha another classic jubaji fantasy...no child, I'm ignoring your dumbass since I have wasted enough time on you already.

[jubaji]

: the "most legitimate taiji master in the world" .

Why are you quoting your own 2nd screen name? Be careful, you are losing more of your grip on reality.

[jubaji]

I'm ignoring your dumbass...

Because you lack the ability and the courage to back up your fantasy-boy idiocy.

You have nothing left to say, so you think that means you have nothing left to hear.

Go on and pretend to run, we both know you are still reading this, you fraud.

[BoarSpear]

Here it is...

Book list from one instructor that he gave me when I asked a question in class about something he said that qi gong and weight lifting were not compatible. His response: look at the classic Chinese literature. The books he recommended were

I Ching
Tao Te Ching
Tai Chi Classics
Secrets of Wu Style Tai Chi

From the taiji/qi gong master from Ohio, though these certainly aren't taiji classics (though that's what I asked for).

Art of War
Book of Five Rings
Mao's little red book
On War
anything by Benny Urquidez

He also keeps telling me to do aiki or wing chun and to play chess.

sorry I havent got back to you on this, Ive been busy

Thing is everytime I hear secret I roll my eyes, the ONLY secret is practice...the idea of passive or defensive aspect of internal arts is nonsense.
you either bait the opponent or initiate the attack yourself, you dont dance around whirling your arms centering your breathing. you try to gain an advantageous angle with stepping as you move in flatten the opponent in the most efficent and effective way possible.

The rest of those are good books but have nothing to do with taiji, it sounds like he was trying to instill the warrior aspect through something other than the arts he was teaching. It isnt easy to find warriorship or deep martial understanding in the written word...these things are best experienced, those books can give you a guideline though

I recommend "living the Martial Way" by Forest Morgan
it might give you a new perspective on the Arts and yourself.

[Mephariel]

sorry I havent got back to you on this, Ive been busy

Thing is everytime I hear secret I roll my eyes, the ONLY secret is practice...the idea of passive or defensive aspect of internal arts is nonsense.
you either bait the opponent or initiate the attack yourself, you dont dance around whirling your arms centering your breathing. you try to gain an advantageous angle with stepping as you move in flatten the opponent in the most efficent and effective way possible.

The rest of those are good books but have nothing to do with taiji, it sounds like he was trying to instill the warrior aspect through something other than the arts he was teaching. It isnt easy to find warriorship or deep martial understanding in the written word...these things are best experienced, those books can give you a guideline though

I recommend "living the Martial Way" by Forest Morgan
it might give you a new perspective on the Arts and yourself.

Exactly. Remember what Bruce Lee said:

"The best defense is offense."

[SamuraiGuy]

Exactly. Remember what Bruce Lee said:

"The best defense is offense."

I'm sure he was the one who coined that phrase

On another note, I wish I knew something about chinese MA so that I could take Boar or Jubaji's side and start arguing, but sadly I dont. Maybe I should go learn Tai Chi so I can knowledgeably argue about that too.

[BoarSpear]

I'm sure he was the one who coined that phrase

On another note, I wish I knew something about chinese MA so that I could take Boar or Jubaji's side and start arguing, but sadly I dont. Maybe I should go learn Tai Chi so I can knowledgeably argue about that too.

Taiji also improves your range of subjects in which you can be a smartass huh? well sheeit there's another benifit

[jubaji]

I'm sure he was the one who coined that phrase

On another note, I wish I knew something about chinese MA so that I could take Boar or Jubaji's side and start arguing, but sadly I dont. Maybe I should go learn Tai Chi so I can knowledgeably argue about that too.

Be careful, boarforest will start to feel threatened.

[kingoftheforest]

Yeah

Be careful, boarforest will start to feel threatened.

See Samuraiguy you don't really have to know anything to post in this thread.


Case in point above.