Tai Chi,good self-defense art or not?

[jubaji]

Just a few gems:


how many students should we sacrifice to see whose style is best in a ring?

Btw in your haste to make fun of Tai chi you missed my point its not too deadly for the street dumbass its too deadly for the ring

The famous neutralizing aspects of the internal arts do work, however, they also require you to injure your opponent at a certain point

The chinese did hold full contact matches, people were terribly injured and some died, they dont have these competitions anymore.

if you dont use fajin power to deliver the strikes you arent using it properly, and fajin IS excessive for the ring.

most people havent seen or felt a fajin attack, seeing it once is all it takes to make a believer of you

lethal combinations of strikes run at blinding speeds...

i would say it was PROVEN too deadly for the ring

Id say that proved it TOO deadly for a sporting event

Ah, then it wasnt Taiji


Kingoftheforest version:

I don't think people are the same anymore. Structurally or mentally.
So we don't move or think the same.

Old Yang was called Yang the unbeatable. The chinese tend not to overexagerrate to much.

[kingoftheforest]

Wow very good maybe you will learn something from finding all that.

And I don't think it's asskissing to follow what your instructors says but how the hell would you know.


The only instructor you seem to have had was Don Rickles and your pretty f*cking good at copying his big bald ass.


Maybe they resemble each other????

Thank you also for proving that Boar and myself have said more in those few posts than you have said in all your time on the forum.

You're such a dear to find that so people won't have to wade through the myriad of crappy post from you clogging this thread.

[velcroninja]

i always thought...

That it was funny when I would see a Navy guy, or that Marine about 19 - 22, still in his first enlistment, coming home on leave and he would be wearing 3 or 4 "Nam" ribbons, next to his National Defence Ribbon with a SEAL Trident above it all or "wings and a bubble" in the wrong order....

The only thing I am trying to express with my comment is that there are people that "know" and and people know, because thier office is in listing distance to the next. I jumped on at about page 45 and read from there on and, WOW, I am glad I dont know enough about this subject to arguee a point, but the useless exchange between "jumanji" and "boar" i cant believe was alowed to go on. if thier was a point made, it seemed to be all wasted breath in an arguement.

Boar seems to know ALOT when it comes down to what he talks about on this forum, and he proves it when we train...AND I assure you "jumanji", Boarspear and KOTF are DEFINATLY (2) different people. Jumanji, you just seemed to want to blast everyone "personally" when it came to all of this shit. you made some points which seemed to be very valid, but the rest was "i know you ware, but what am i" kids shit.

Boar is the real deal. KOTF, although young, IS there too, ME, dont go there, I will be a couple hundred yards away and you would just feel a little sting and then see BLACK!,

but really, the moderator of this should have cut this long ago. We are suppose to get something out of a post except who is going to yell at who next. VERY SH*TTY MODERATING.

[jubaji]

Boar is the real deal. KOTF, although young, IS there too, ME, dont go there, I will be a couple hundred yards away and you would just feel a little sting and then see BLACK!,

Because you put velcro over his eyes?

[SamuraiGuy]

VERY SH*TTY MODERATING.

Suck a dick ExcessiveForce knows what he's doing.

And as far as you bashing Jubaji and praising Boar, thats a load of bullshit. They both have points of view and have been expressing them in the thread, however they choose to express them, childishly or not, is up to them, they are discussing something, not just picking the "big bad forum boss's" side.

I think Jubaji's claims of Boar hating Tai Chi, or him being the same as KingoftheForest are a little off base, but he's still making valid arguments about his thoughts on Tai Chi.

If I had to pick someone to be banned for life from the forum, I'd probably pick Jubaji before I picked Boar. That doesnt mean he wouldn't be one of the next to be saved from this hypothetical ban. It would probably be one of the blind nuthuggers including you, (maybe its the velcro), who seems to cling to Boars nuts harder than Omoplata sticks to the Gracies.

I gathered from your post you train with Boar, I didnt know he trained delusional fucks who think they are cool because they can brag about sniping people in the back. Your worse than an E-Thug, your bragging about how you could kill someone from really far away with a weapon, as opposed to right up close and personal.

[jubaji]

If I had to pick someone to be banned for life from the forum, I'd probably pick Jubaji before I picked Boar.

Yes!! I win!!!

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

What techniques are useful for SD and fighting in Tai Chi??????????????/

And THIS is how I revived this thread, no one had posted in here for awhile then all of a sudden i asked a question, and 24 pages of arguments followed... Its true too.

[SamuraiGuy]

And THIS is how I revived this thread, no one had posted in here for awhile then all of a sudden i asked a question, and 24 pages of arguments followed... Its true too.

ZOMG ITS REALLY TRUE!?!?!?!

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

ZOMG ITS REALLY TRUE!?!?!?!

Yeah it is, go to page 47

[knifethrower]

“Btw in your haste to make fun of Tai chi you missed my point its not too deadly for the street dumbass its too deadly for the ring

i would say it was PROVEN too deadly for the ring

Id say that proved it TOO deadly for a sporting event

The chinese did hold full contact matches, people were terribly injured and some died, they dont have these competitions anymore.

how many students should we sacrifice to see whose style is best in a ring?

and fajin IS excessive for the ring.”

I’m still trying to figure out why we need “too” in front of the word “deadly” to begin with. Anyway, if you hold a match with no rules and no ref then someone will end up dieing sooner or later. I don’t think that that is to hard to believe. If they are MMA fighters, then more will die. If you took those MMA fighters and taught them …I don’t know…military bad ass kill tactics, then even more will die. Have I gone too far yet? I don’t think so. If you put some Tai Chi people in there that know how to fajin…well more people will die. I think after five or six of the more popular fighters die, someone is going to stand up and say who’s dumbass Idea was this anyway? Why is this so hard to understand? It’s hard to understand because of the way Boar says it…he pisses people off. He’s anything but political. He’s an asshole; he even said that himself. I quote, “BoarassholeSpear”; he wrote that somewhere. This is what I was getting at in my post over at the MMA threads. Yeah, fa-jin to the throat is deadly…so is fighting with no rules.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and bump it up a notch. Tai Chi is MORE than just “too deadly for the ring”. This is a quote out of a letter to a friend. It was written well before I was on the forum and well before I talked to Boar. I was trying to tell my friend what was happening with my Tai Chi.

“During the form, I’m growling, drooling, barking, screaming, hissing, “smiling” which is not smiling but more like curling my lips back to bite something, forgetting the form, forgetting where I am, laughing a sinister laugh, letting my arms dangle like an ape would and jumping around in the same fashion and sometimes it’s all at once which makes for an overall scene of primal mayhem.”

It got worse before it got better; that is if you want to call what it is now “better”. Now the form “looks” much more calm; none of those violent things that did happen, happen now. Now all of those things are just waiting, patiently or impatiently, I don’t know but they are waiting. However, that is not the thing that scares me most. What scares me most is what’s going on in my head….That would be nothing. Nothing is going on in my head. Hell, half the time I don’t even remember doing the form anymore. At least when I was drooling I could remember it. It scares me most to do a form that I don’t even bother to show up for. To take this state of mind to the ring is MORALLY WRONG (this, to me anyway, bumps it up a notch passed “too deadly”.) I know, it’s been done before but, that doesn’t make it right. When it gets that far in society, it just means I’ll be more of a recluse….I can’t believe I am posting this about myself…

Now before anyone goes off and thinks knifethrower’s a badass, let me be the first to say I am a pussy. I want everyone that reads passed this post to make a follow up post calling me a pussy. I want it verbally reinforced. I’m so much of a pussy that my nose bleeds every twenty-eight days. I can’t hunt because I feel sorry for the animals…I get sad when I see a cat with no home…hell, I can’t even kill fish. If there is a fight, I am the first one to grab the ones I love and bolt; that is if I had the guts to be there in the first place. Chances are, I’m not social enough to show up.

"The famous neutralizing aspects of the internal arts do work, however, they also require you to injure your opponent at a certain point "

To understand this you have to know fa-jin. However I can still make some halfass analogies. A gymnast will do something called a rebound to get a higher jump. The rebound happens after a round off or a back handspring. It’s like a REALLY strong bounce. Take a pencil with an eraser on the end and throw it, eraser first, at a smooth desk. It will bounce and flip…someone PM eyegouge; he’s a gymnast. Maybe he can help. Now ask the gymnast to do this rebound slow and controlled. The very words rebound and slow just don’t go together. How can you bounce slow? Train a dog shake off water slowly. Sneeze but, do it slowly…with control. You’ve had a chill up your spine right? Did you shiver? Can you do that slow. These are stupidass questions…I know…Baka ni suru jynaiyo. I’m just trying to come up with some sort of analogy. You can’t do fa jin slow. I don’t even know what these neutralizing things are but if you let go with Tai Chi, someone will get fuked up.

"if you dont use fajin power to deliver the strikes you arent using it properly,”

This is true about Tai Chi

"lethal combinations of strikes run at blinding speeds..."

Trash talk but he can back it up. Did you read this?

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?t=19759

"most people havent seen or felt a fajin attack, seeing it once is all it takes to make a believer of you"

I know…all the way to fuking Florida

"Ah, then it wasnt Taiji"

I don’t understand…It’s out of context

Kingoftheforest version:

"I don't think people are the same anymore. Structurally or mentally.
So we don't move or think the same.

Old Yang was called Yang the unbeatable. The chinese tend not to overexagerrate to much."

He’s on crack---------------------

jubaji…you can win this debate. I know that, you know that. Any debate can be won, no matter which stand you take. You’re the better debater on this thread. I would go so far as to call you a master debater . BoarSpear lacks the skill in the struggle to master debate. However, what he lacks in skill he makes up for in tenacity. Kingoftheforest is still looking for his dick. I know where my dick is….locked tightly away in my wife’s purse

[BoarSpear]

. I know where my dick is….locked tightly away in my wife’s purse

Is she responsible for the toaster storage as well?

[Tai Chi Fighter]

Awesome!!!!

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

If you put an good MMA fighter against a Taiji fighter in a death match, anything goes(eye gougeing, throat strikes, biting, the works), in a open area, on hard surface, i still think the mma fighter would kill him.....but thats still a sport fight, not SD.

[Tai Chi Fighter]

Why is it that all MMA and BJJ practitioners all think that their styles are the best. I have seen an Kyokushin Karate guy completely annhialate(sp?) an Muay Thai Guy.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

I never said mma or bjj is the best, why do Taiji practicioners feel that their MA is the best? Shit, UFC's on, gotta go!