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[S.Anucha]

Ok, my situation. I have just started Krabi-Krabong, I was shown a technique for disabling an attackers arm when he thrusts a knife towards me.

1. he thrusts a blade towards my throat, straight using his right arm

2. I quickly make a kind of curling motion with my left hand which places my left hand onto the knife wrist of my attacker, I am then gripping tightly with my left hand and on his wrist so I have control of the knife hand.

3. I then, still gripping tightly to his knife wrist, jump high in the air and using my right shin, the upper part of the shin bone (the base of my knee) horizontly land on his elbow joint while all the time gripping tightly to his knife wrist

4. The sheer weight of my body pressing down on his arm and me tightly gripping his wrist forces him to the ground with my upper part of my shin bone coming down on top of his elbow joint smashing his joint on impact to the ground.


in practice today it seemed very simple, I mean, I know the technique needs "timing" to be succesfull, is there anything in there that is worng that you guys see.

Remember I am unarmed and at no point after his thrust am I not controlling his knife wrist, when he makes the thrust and till his elbow is mashed my left hand grip to his knife wrist is not released. undertsand.

thanx for the help.

[krys]

Ok, my situation. I have just started Krabi-Krabong, I was shown a technique for disabling an attackers arm when he thrusts a knife towards me.

1. he thrusts a blade towards my throat, straight using his right arm

2. I quickly make a kind of curling motion with my left hand which places my left hand onto the knife wrist of my attacker, I am then gripping tightly with my left hand and on his wrist so I have control of the knife hand.

3. I then, still gripping tightly to his knife wrist, jump high in the air and using my right shin, the upper part of the shin bone (the base of my knee) horizontly land on his elbow joint while all the time gripping tightly to his knife wrist

4. The sheer weight of my body pressing down on his arm and me tightly gripping his wrist forces him to the ground with my upper part of my shin bone coming down on top of his elbow joint smashing his joint on impact to the ground.


in practice today it seemed very simple, I mean, I know the technique needs "timing" to be succesfull, is there anything in there that is worng that you guys see.

Remember I am unarmed and at no point after his thrust am I not controlling his knife wrist, when he makes the thrust and till his elbow is mashed my left hand grip to his knife wrist is not released. undertsand.

thanx for the help.

Hi Anucha,


I'm not sure I properly can answer to your question as I don't know the kind of wrist grip you are talking about but it isn't that easy to catch the blade arm with only one hand. It doesn't take a lot of knive fighting experience to avoid getting caught and to slash-escape the catching hand (by changing the grip, rotating the blade, and so on....)... Your techniques assumes you are much stronger-skilled than your opponent to control his arm like this....

usually when I try to catch the blade I use both hands, or deflect and strike (a delicate spot) at the same time if I don't have this option....

Coming to point no. 3 what will happen if your opponent steps to the side while you jump? You will fall down on your knee, lose your grip and he will finish you kickly....
Your opponent won't be static , he will move and strugle... if you miscaculated your move and he turns the blade you may also impale yourself on it......


This are just some thoughts on your technique, I maybe wrong as I don't probably grasp the whole pattern....
By the way are you studying Krabi Krabong at the Budhaswai?
I haven't been in Thailand for five years (moved to the Philippines for silat -arnis training), is KK becoming popular now?
I met a thai who knew KK, what she showed (against weapons) me looked like a kind of Kung Fu with wrist locks, throws and high kicks...
Do you know of other thai martial arts (there is thai silat in the southern provinces, i heard also of thai-chinese kuntao styles)...

All the best, enjoy your time in the kingdom.

Krys.

[William]

Hmmm.

I studied KK for over two years and never came across that maneuver (which doesn't necessarily mean anything). Different style I guess.

me looked like a kind of Kung Fu with wrist locks, throws and high kicks...

Krys, the KK I studied wasn't flowery at all, very economical and to the point. No high kicking Kung-fu type stuff.


S.Anucha
I'm having a little trouble understanding because the way you explain this maneuver doesn't make sense to me.

1). Your grabbing the incoming right hand highline thrust with your left hand.

*where are you going with your footwork? If your opponent thrusts at your throat, he's most likely coming straight on. Are you attempting to grab and get to his weak side (outside)? In order to jump up and place the shin you will have to cross under your left arm (left hand controls opponents right hand, right knee crosses under to place the shin). Moving to the inside has more dangers and is even more unlikely you will get control with a single hand grab. Trying to get control with one hand is a very low percentage maneuver for a number of reasons, some of which Krys touched.

Now, I can suggest a way that I feel would be better as well as a wickedly effective, absurdly simple KK knife technique that catches many people off guard. PM me for specifics.

I'm not trying to be anti-social. I just decided a while back that I'm no longer going to post blade specific techniques for everyone on the internet to see.


William

[S.Anucha]

Hmmm.

I studied KK for over two years and never came across that maneuver (which doesn't necessarily mean anything). Different style I guess.

me looked like a kind of Kung Fu with wrist locks, throws and high kicks...

Krys, the KK I studied wasn't flowery at all, very economical and to the point. No high kicking Kung-fu type stuff.


S.Anucha
I'm having a little trouble understanding because the way you explain this maneuver doesn't make sense to me.

1). Your grabbing the incoming right hand highline thrust with your left hand.

*where are you going with your footwork? If your opponent thrusts at your throat, he's most likely coming straight on. Are you attempting to grab and get to his weak side (outside)? In order to jump up and place the shin you will have to cross under your left arm (left hand controls opponents right hand, right knee crosses under to place the shin). Moving to the inside has more dangers and is even more unlikely you will get control with a single hand grab. Trying to get control with one hand is a very low percentage maneuver for a number of reasons, some of which Krys touched.

Now, I can suggest a way that I feel would be better as well as a wickedly effective, absurdly simple KK knife technique that catches many people off guard. PM me for specifics.

I'm not trying to be anti-social. I just decided a while back that I'm no longer going to post blade specific techniques for everyone on the internet to see.


William

ok Man, pm me that please.

Ok remember this was my first lesson on saturday.

I am standing in the stance, you know, left foot forward slightly, its been 3 days now since I practiced this so I have nearlly forgotten the dam foot work!, anyway, he thrusts a knife to me, i make like a curling movement with my left hand/wrist to deflect the thrust from him then I grab hold of his wrist while stepping in with my right foot, I can elbow him if I want or just jump up and use my body weight to take him down while still holding onto his wrist! know what i mean now?

[William]

Hey S.

I tried to PM you twice tonight. Both times when I hit the send button, a window pops up telling me I'm not logged in. So, I don't know if they went out or not. When I went to check my sent message files, they don't show up. I'll try again in the A.M.

William

[RAB]

This technque is creative, however, it's not clear as to what principles are being used. In fact, it's seems as though there were none used.

I saw a website once and I commented to the administrator about the technique he demonstrated. I basicly told him that this was not what he claims it to be but more of a modern interpretation. He told that the clips were of poor quality, thus, the reasons for not demostrating the elements I pointed out to him. He provided a excuse for not knowing the art.

You should ask about the key points of the technique. You claim to have control of the wrist but if you did you could be off balanced him from his wrist alone. Yet you didn't describe anything else. If your opponent is balanced he is still attacking you. If he has the knife he is still with the advantage.

[William]

S.Anucha,
Check your e-mail.

William