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triangle footwork, generating power

I've been practicing my triangle footwork patterns with various strikes at each point of the triangle..so, I'll work the female triangle, and I'll go forward and to the right, and throw a one angle labtik..then I'll go to center and throw a 2 angle labtik, then forward left, 1 angle witick..then center 1 angle labtik, forward right 2 angle labtik, center 1 angle labtik, forward left 2 angle witick, etc.

there are two basic footwork-strike relationships in this (That I see)
In one relationship, the footwork is twisting my hips to an angle that generates power..for example:
this pattern makes me throw a forehand shot with my right hand while stepping forward right. I've found this rotates my hips perfectly to add power. this I already knew..

in the other relationship, it seems it's the forward motion generating power..for example:
it also ensures I'm doing the opposite, throwing a backhand shot with the right hand while moving forward right.

my question is, what should I be using within the footwork to provide power to the strike in this second example? is it the forward motion of the stepping (like when stepping forward with your jab in boxing?)..or is it something I'm missing entirely..? because my hips rotate the opposite direction to generate power with that strike/footwork combo.

if you don't follow my question (But think you have a solution) then please ask me to explain further..
all help appreciated.

-dwayne
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  • #2
    If throwing a right forehand hand power shot and stepping to the right, the mirror image is a backhand power shot while stepping forward left. I don't think one will get maximum advantage throwing a power shot backhand while stepping forward right. Of course, I could be wrong.

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      • #3
      that's what I'm finding..and why I ask...thanks chad.

      anyone else?

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      • #4
        You can generate much more power and have a more stable shot using reverse hip principle. Throw a right handed straight punch steping forward with your left leg. Compare it to your right, right combo. see what you think.
        peace

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          • #5
          taomonkey: Yeah, I find that's true with punching, but i'm still having trouble with it with my sticks.. hm. but I have a reason to continue looking for it now..

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          • #6
            I've experienced what you are talking about here, quietanswer. For me it seems there are two different ways to move on the triangle depending on whether you're using a forehand or backhand shot. Let me try and explain this:

            (Assume you are stepping right on the triangle with the stick in your right hand)

            - If I'm using a forehand strike, then my motion could be described as 'forward, with a twist'. I step in and my lead foot pivots with the strike. The motion is sort of like I'm stepping past my opponent and turning back in to face him (that's an exaggeration). In fact, if you are really angling for power, it almost turns into a sidestep.

            - For the backhand strike the motion is more like moving *through* the oppponent. The power generation depends a lot on adding the motion of your body to that of the stick. There is no 'twist' in this one for me. It's also a perfect place for a double-force strike. In Pekiti-Tirsia it would be the type of strike where you put the guy down and move on quickly to the next attacker.

            Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I'm far from an expert but it's just what I've found while working power on reverse (female) triangle. The male triangle is tougher...

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              • #7
              scytale: thanks homes. that's exactly where it was taking me.. I had only been taught the "forward with a twist" idea.. never had the "forward and through" idea explained..so i was wondering if it was bad idea to start practicing it..or if there was some other way altogether.

              I appreciate the input. 'xactly what I was looking for.

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              • #8
                Triangular striking

                Here's a little drill I like from Pekiti Tirsia to help newbies become familialr with the various stepping and striking variations. It works with what we call the diamond (not sure what PT calls it). The diamond is basically a female triangle with a male triangle on top.

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                \/

                You start left foot forward, lt steps back... rt steps forward(the female triangle). Left foot steps thru to point of male triangle. Your now lt foot forward. Rt foot steps up, lt foot steps back (male triangle). Your now rt foot forward. Rt foot steps thru to the rear... your now back to the beginning position. Keep going in a CCW direction, and reverse in a clockwise direction at will.

                Now add the basic five strikes as you move thru the diamond. Since there are four steps, you rotate thru doing each of the basic five strikes from each of the possible four positions.

                ~Kev

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                  • #9
                  kevin: right on. I was doing a very similar drill, only the triangles I was working with formed more of an 'X'.. but the same drill really.

                  I start at the center, and step forward right with right foot to front female point. then pull right foot back to switch stance, stepping forward with left to left front female point.. then left back, to center in a balanced position, then shove my right foot back to rear right male triangle point. then bring right forward, attain balanced stance, then shove left back to rear left male triangle point.

                  I do that while working my largo mano striking patterns..and reverse versions. I was doing it with the 5 basic angles..and will switch back to that.

                  I like working sawtooth drills too (taught me by dog bros vids)

                  thanks for telling me to practice the diamond. I'll have to do that as an interval to the X. in fact, i think i need to duct-tape a diamond with an x in it's center on my floor, now. so I can do both..

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                  • #10
                    Dwayne, I as thinking about this. What about jumping towards the right and instead of facing forward in the direction you are moving and turning into him with your forearm shot, how about pushing yourself to the location with your left foot and you are facing the area you were originally at. Not completely, but almost like pushing off and moving backwards while doing one of TD's little payongs to set your b.hand up, then when landing turning into your opponent with the b.hand.

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                    • #11
                      Triangles

                      Dwayne

                      How about taping two X's on top of each other on the floor?

                      X
                      X

                      The bottom half of the top triangle and the top half of the bottom triangle would form a diamond.

                      ~"Diamond Kev"

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                      • #12
                        The Ted Lucaylucay "Stickboxing" video does a very good job of addressing this very issue and of relating it between sticks and empty hands.

                        Regards, Mike

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                        • #13
                          Kev,

                          Actually I work with some patterns around these triangles:

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                          I like working moving from one triangle to another.

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                            • #14
                            something I've noticed about triangle footwork is that your entries to throws in judo all revolve around this type of footwork. It's not as obvious, because the throw entries are mostly in stepping from one triangle to another (at least, as I've learned to do it from my dog bros tapes)..this was a thing that used to bug me (Say, an entrance to a one armed shoulder throw)..as i hated the step, spin, drop your weight, bend..seemed so slow and dangerous..but after doing my triangle footwork practice this month, I've been pulling that throw off more and more with the guy I fight with..which feels great.

                            I'll have to tape some x's together. the main reason I don't make too many x's connect is space limitations within my apartment. I'm the kind of guy who stopped buying more furniture (even necessary things) because he had to have room for sticks and footwork.

                            none of us are unfamiliar with that urge..

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                            • #15
                              Power? Don't worry too much about that sh!t.
                              Fight with a bolo or a blade instead because even a wimp can easily dispose of his opponent when using a blade.

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