pekiti tirsia kali vs krabi krabong

[zchaos]

to all martial artist.

I think the only way to test the art if effective or not,why we don't
it to settle down a good show of fighting live blade so that we will
see if effective your concern art.

some people are good in talking about the system,the only way is you
choice blade or sticks in filipino way of fighting no talk just fight.
we follow the culture of filipino.


Regards
Contra tirsia

[lorenzodamarith]

hello,

to craftydog.... WOOOF!!! now howl pack daddy and lead the way!!!

to the rest... relax. the guros and ajarns know who they are.

in basic answer to the question at hand... which would win? pekititirsia? krabikrabong?

craftydog? pay attention please, want to get this right...

it would depend an a few things.

one, they are organized a little differently. that is, if you think of the skillsets in a sequential manner, different weapons/situations are dealt with (in absolute detail) at different stages.

thus, if two students studied each respective system, they would be learning different things on any given day, or week, or month. so if you evaluate them if this fashion (they have both trained two years)... you will get one result. a year later, it may lean the other way, so on so forth.

two, ultimately, they include different weapons. pekititirsia is primarily for very close combat, knives mainly. krabikrabong being a battlefield system, includes spears and light polearms. as you can see, the ranges are a bit different.

thus, your question presupposes equal weaponry. again, they recieve treatments at different stages in the training pipeline.

three, the individuals themselves. even if you assume they both have identical potential (talent pool), there are factors that contribute differently to the development of ones absolute skill level.

one individual may attend more seminars, while the other attends the gatherings (noobs check the dogbrothers site for "the gatherings"). these will contribute differently to the skill level development.

the individuals may also possess different temperments. one may ultimately be willing to kill, if the situation arose, while the others proclivities may be less... terminal. even if everything else were equal, talent, years in, same weapon, equal gatherings and tournaments, thier different mindsets will greatly influence the outcome of a match.

now, both systems seem to include a solutions for the same situations, they just differ in minor ways like (body english) or specific hardware. footwork is a bit different, at least in how it is taught.

ajarn thonglortrairat seems to teach more unarmed skills in the beginning of the pipeline, wherease tuhon leogajejr tends toward armaments at first, with unarmed technique later. in both systems the techniques aren't that different (from beginning to end) respectively.

ultimately, if one were to take the ultimate examplars of each system ajarn vs. tuhon.... it may come down to who studied thier own system longer!!!

thanks.

[lorenzodamarith]

hello,

apologies if that last post was a bit more general than some might have liked.

intentionally avoided were specific skillset comparisons, because of reasons mentioned in the last post.

the original question would not haved been served properly by such a dissertation.

and rest assured, anything missing or in need of correcting, craftdog will know.

incidentally, if you have never been to a gathering... go, see one, get in on it if you can. one such encounter may answer a LOT of your questions.

and you will meet a lot of people who are willing to help/befriend anyone who really wants to learn.

to craftydog.... WOOOOF!!! hopefully this hasn't been too far off.

thanks.

[Tee Sok]

Lorenzo,

I agree with many of the things you said.

I know KK better than escrima, I think both are great with sticks/swords/machetes...
I can see there are some basic differences between these two styles and their respective variants, but one thing is sure, when it gets down to going at it, everything narrows down.
I don't like the style vs. style and the 'my style is the one and only' thing, but it is good to bring things together and compare, you can only learn from that.
Someone (not sure if it was Bruce Lee) said something like "after having fought for a long time, I could see that a punch is just a punch, no matter what style it comes from".

Well I could say that an angle one is just an angle one, no matter the style.
Sure there is more than just this, you don't just raise your stick and hit,
but that's the general idea.

Knife fighting is a bit different. I think the Filipino systems are much more ahead than the Thai ones, also the Spanish and some Italian ones are much more complete and effective.

[lorenzodamarith]

hello,

hey teesok!! there are of course a huge number of minute (pronounced my-noot for our foriegn friends) differences between these systems.

but it is agreed, the style versus style arguement is played out.

perhaps our friends here might be better served by discussions like

"what are the differences between the way system one handles situation xyz and the way system two handles situation xyz".

this might produce some more effective discourse and more exciting threads. might inspire us to always have our learning caps on!!!

it should be noted that it is good that the community is interested in exploring different systems. this is a good thing.

later teesok!!

thanks.

[TopDog]

woof WOOF to all! We Dogs of course Favor Pekiti Tirsia - this was a was Nice Thread

[lorenzodamarith]

hello,

folks... give a big woof back to topdog for taking the time to look our thread over!! we are lucky to have him offering his thoughts!!

and go to a gathering!!! worth it!!!

WOOF!!!

thanks.

[Crafty Dog]

For the record folks:

*Eric "Top Dog" Knaus's training is in PT Kali
*GT Gaje is a teacher of mine (including my having studied at his home in Bacolod)
*PT is one of the three principal FMA influences on Dog Brothers Martial Arts
*Several outstanding Dog Brothers such as Philip "Sled Dog" Gelinas and Loki "Tricky Dog" Jorgenson" have substantial training in PT Kali.

That said, "TopDog" here is not Eric "Top Dog" Knaus. Given the similarity of his screen name to Eric's DB name, I take this moment to make that clear.

[lorenzodamarith]

For the record folks:

That said, "TopDog" here is not Eric "Top Dog" Knaus. Given the similarity of his screen name to Eric's DB name, I take this moment to make that clear.

hello,

apologies. this was an assumption. should have checked. appreciate your clearing this up.

thanks.

[buster brown]

I just wanted to say, I find it extremly LAME, that someone would assume TOPDOG'S name and use it and imply that they were indeed topdog.
Having met him and talked with him at the Gatheirngs, and knowing that hes a good and honorable man.
It is greatly disturbing to me that someone would assume his identity, even if it is to post on the internet forums
Frankly it SUCKS!!
BB