Hello! The old forums used to be a great reference for ideas/strategies/tactics about fighting ,I guess that those posts are gone forever ,and regrettably the ones from Marc Denny on multiple opponents and one from Burt Richardson on unarmed vs the knife.So whats everyones opinion on the best way to handle this situation ( other than run, pull my Glock .45/Mossberg shotgun, etc.)either from your training or stuff that you have (unfortunately) had to use.I have never been a victim of a knife attack.In training I have found that grabbing the knife hand with both hand,keeping it away from me and hitting, tripping ,and trying to get him to the ground have worked fairly well(training concepts taken from BR and Peyton Quinn)I have found that sudden surprise (simulated )attacks are very difficult without being "cut" to shreds or suffering terrrible possibly fatal and limb incapacitating injury.we also have trained with attacks from behind...this is bad news Hint: dont get attacked from behind ...Well Im anxious to hear what everyone has to say .
chad: yeah, i remember your shoe answer, and it is very similar to what I mean. maybe i will even practice removing my shoe in the fight..
spider: i keep hearing about tapping, but don't think i was trained in it...hm. btw, ever heard they might be giants song "spider"..it's a short bit on their appollo 18 cd..
tapping....is it within hubud or palisut? i do these drills..
-dwayne
spider: i keep hearing about tapping, but don't think i was trained in it...hm. btw, ever heard they might be giants song "spider"..it's a short bit on their appollo 18 cd..
tapping....is it within hubud or palisut? i do these drills..
-dwayne
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unarmed
thanks, guys.
for some thoughtful comments on this subject, go to http://www.bladeforums.com ; check out the FMA forum there, specifically Protector's comments on the thread "brennan & miller balisong videos?"
Protector is apparently a LEO w/ long experience in FMAs; his comments on knife defense seem worth checking out.
Chop Wisby
thanks, guys.
for some thoughtful comments on this subject, go to http://www.bladeforums.com ; check out the FMA forum there, specifically Protector's comments on the thread "brennan & miller balisong videos?"
Protector is apparently a LEO w/ long experience in FMAs; his comments on knife defense seem worth checking out.
Chop Wisby
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If I recall correctly, palisut is what the attacker does (thrust to slash) and tapping is what the defender does. I guess you could describe it as doing a tan sao across your body blocking the thrust then passing the slash with a hard downward energy(no further then 6 o'clock to prevent them from stabbing you on the other side).
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Dwayne, e-mail me.
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Originally posted by gungfuhero
If I recall correctly, palisut is what the attacker does (thrust to slash) and tapping is what the defender does. I guess you could describe it as doing a tan sao across your body blocking the thrust then passing the slash with a hard downward energy(no further then 6 o'clock to prevent them from stabbing you on the other side).
If I recall correctly, palisut is what the attacker does (thrust to slash) and tapping is what the defender does. I guess you could describe it as doing a tan sao across your body blocking the thrust then passing the slash with a hard downward energy(no further then 6 o'clock to prevent them from stabbing you on the other side).
Mike
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Thanks for the correction. It's more than welcomed.
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"Protector"
i don't know if anybody checked out the thread i suggested, but to paraphrase, "Protector" seems to be a leo with an fma background;
he favors the hold and hithithitetc. approach to disarms, based on his police experience, which he explains in more detail on the thread i mentioned earlier.
personally, i would not be comfortable with any unarmed finish that was attempted while the opponent's knife has any mobility left.
i don't know if anybody checked out the thread i suggested, but to paraphrase, "Protector" seems to be a leo with an fma background;
he favors the hold and hithithitetc. approach to disarms, based on his police experience, which he explains in more detail on the thread i mentioned earlier.
personally, i would not be comfortable with any unarmed finish that was attempted while the opponent's knife has any mobility left.
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I agree completely ... with both sides. We train disarms ... but we try to instill in people that the disarm is "incidental if not accidental."
Deal with the weapon, fight (and hopefully finish) the man ... period. If, doing this, you achieve a disarm, GREAT! If not, then make sure to finish the man.
Now, the question arises, this being the case, why train disarms at all? Well, if you don't train them, then when they are available, you will miss them and still be fighting an armed assailant. If you disarm him then at least you will no longer be fighting an armed assailant ... even if the fight continues after the disarm.
However, "hold & hithithithit" is a good path to take which might give you an option to disarm :-) And, if the fight finishes before you find a disarm then GREAT! (This assumes that the fight finished with you having the lower hospital bill :-)
Regards, Mike
Originally posted by Chop Wisby
i don't know if anybody checked out the thread i suggested, but to paraphrase, "Protector" seems to be a leo with an fma background;
he favors the hold and hithithitetc. approach to disarms, based on his police experience, which he explains in more detail on the thread i mentioned earlier.
personally, i would not be comfortable with any unarmed finish that was attempted while the opponent's knife has any mobility left.
i don't know if anybody checked out the thread i suggested, but to paraphrase, "Protector" seems to be a leo with an fma background;
he favors the hold and hithithitetc. approach to disarms, based on his police experience, which he explains in more detail on the thread i mentioned earlier.
personally, i would not be comfortable with any unarmed finish that was attempted while the opponent's knife has any mobility left.
Deal with the weapon, fight (and hopefully finish) the man ... period. If, doing this, you achieve a disarm, GREAT! If not, then make sure to finish the man.
Now, the question arises, this being the case, why train disarms at all? Well, if you don't train them, then when they are available, you will miss them and still be fighting an armed assailant. If you disarm him then at least you will no longer be fighting an armed assailant ... even if the fight continues after the disarm.
However, "hold & hithithithit" is a good path to take which might give you an option to disarm :-) And, if the fight finishes before you find a disarm then GREAT! (This assumes that the fight finished with you having the lower hospital bill :-)
Regards, Mike
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