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Did "guru" dan inosanto learn FMA in the phillipines or in the USA???
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Good question.
I did a little searching, but couldn't find anything conclusive on that;
Maybe try a quick email?
Inosanto Academy of Martial Arts
13348-13352 Beach Ave.
Marina Del Rey, CA 90292
Phone: (310) 578-7773
Fax: (310) 578-7477
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First, what's with the quotes around the word guru? That instantly implies that you don't believe he's legitimate which automatically makes me suspect that you're nothing more than a troll trying to stir up muck - especially with a screen name like McDojoJKD. I'm guessing you have your own agenda in all this that has nothing to do with the truth about Guro Dan.Originally posted by McDojoJKD View Post
Second, why did you use the word guru? Guru is the Indian/Indonesian spelling/pronunciation of the word.
Even though I suspect that you're a troll, I'll go ahead and answer as best I can. If you want to find out for sure, though, then contact his school and talk to them. If you want to really find out anything about what he teaches, though, then get yourself into whatever form of conveyance it would require and physically get to his school to train.
To my knowledge, he learned it in America. But most of his instructors were old Filipino masters who had moved to California (and many were in Stockton). As I understand it, when Guro Dan was growing up and was a young man, Stockton, CA was largely Pilipino and was more like a microcosm of the Philippines than it was any part of America.
What difference does it make where he was geographically when he learned it? When GM Cacoy Canete comes to America, for instance, does he somehow become less of a GM or less of a teacher just because he's not teaching in the PI?
MikeComment
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What's your name? If you're going to make statements like this shit, make sure we know that you are credible or have some sort of traceable experience....or are you Ashtanga?Originally posted by McDojoJKD View PostComment
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I put quotes around the word "guru" because, i was not sure what the heck it means. His own students call him that. Thanks for trying to answer the question.Comment
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OK. To use it with quotes in his title seemed somewhat disrespectful but I guess it makes sense now that you've explained the context. The word "guru" comes from India. It means "instructor."Originally posted by McDojoJKD View Post
Very brief historical/etymological overview:
For many centuries (~200 A.D. - ~1500 A.D.) the Malay Archipelago was ruled by Indian-based empires (Srivijaya and then Majapahit). The term "guru" is still used.
In the Philippines, though, the ancient native script (Baybayin or Alibata) there was to "u" and there was no "r". When phonetically translated, it became "go-do". As different influences came in and the language evolved, it gradually came to be spelled "guro" (with the "o" being an artifact of the ancient script). But if you listen to old Filipinos say the word it often sounds like they're saying "go-ro" or "go-do" (either with a hard "r" or a soft "d" sound - depending exactly who's saying it).
Anyway, it's just a title for "instructor". Like "sensei" in Japanese/Okinawan or "sifu" in Chinese.
Dan Inosanto has rank in both Filipino and Indonesian martial arts so either the "guru" or "guro" spelling/pronunciation is appropriate (as is "sifu", "sensei" and others because he is amazingly well-versed and has rank in many different systems). What a particular individual uses will usually be determined by what their background with him is.
Since I do both Filipino & Indonesian martial arts (and his blend is at the core of what I do) I refer to him either as Guru Dan or Guro Dan - usually depending on whether I'm referring to Filipino or Indonesian or whether I'm talking to someone from one or the other of those traditions or sometimes based on my mood at the moment. He doesn't take offense at either since their both completely applicable.
MikeComment
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Hope this helps.
In Guro Dan's book "Filipino Martial Arts" he makes it a point to recognize all of his instructors in the martial arts (not just FMA). While many of them, like Masters Cabales, Giron and Sarmiento, were Pinoys living in the U.S. he also had instructors in Hawaii. I presume he travelled to train there. As an interesting side note, I once asked Guro Dong Cuesta the same question and he mentioned that Guro Dan could not go to the Philipines because of a personal reason, and I left it at that. I would assume that he did not train there. Just my 2 cents.Comment
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I've seen JKD people who also teach Sayoc Kali and/or Pekiti/Dekiti Tirsia in their programs...mixing it with the Inosanto blend, although I'm not exactly sure as to whether or not it is part of the Kali blend they teach at Inosanto Academy, or something that these individuals choose to encorporate...Comment
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From the Sayoc POV. Sayoc Kali is not part of the Inosanto blend, although Guro Inosanto recommends his JKD instructors to supplement their FMA skills by training Sayoc Kali.
I've only known Guro Inosanto as a generous and honest human being. He teaches what has been taught to him, and does not deviate from it. He will also point out two contradictory ideas and attribute them to their origins. So if we hear him say one thing - it may be he was quoting from one source and if asked or if he has more time elaborate further and point out other POVs.
--Rafael--Comment
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Hello all, Newbie here. Looking for Filipino Martial Arts in Lexington Ky Area. Is there any classes ?
T.Comment
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Around the time before Dan Inosanto met Bruce Lee, Guro Dan was a black belt instructor in Kenpo under GM Ed Parker. I believe it was initially Ed Parker who pointed the way for Guro Inosanto to pay more attention to the Filipino arts and that it's not "just" stickfighting. Then Dan Inosanto never did have to go to the Philippines to learn Kali. The Kali came to him in the forms of GM Leo Giron, Juanito La Coste, GM Angel Cabales amongst the rest of the legends as immortalized in the Guro's classic literary work, "The Filipino Martial Arts".
The rest, is history.
Can you DIG IT!Comment
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Hi guys,
I hope that all is well and that everyone is keeping challenged by their training. I just wanted to jump in on the Guro Dan Inosanto thread.
Actually Guro Dan Inosanto was first influenced by an uncle that practiced Karate and was also fluent in the Pilipino warrior arts, it was he that first provoked Guro Inosanto to investigate further into his ancestral arts. Later came Ed Parker and GM Giron and all of the rest.
Guro Dan Inosanto has never traveled to the Philippines because his Mother made him promise that he would not at a very early age. She was so opposed to the idea that Guro Dan has always kept that promise even well after her demise. He has studied under the most notorious Pilipino born and trained Masters of his time. Most traveling from the Philippines where they grew up and lived, others whom were Pilipino-Hawaiian, and the rest were Pilipinos born of Pilipino parents here in the United States, with the lions share coming from Stockton, California.
If you want a Historian of the Pilipino Warrior Arts I feel that there is none more knowledgeable on the topic than Guro Dan Inosanto. I dare say that He has probably forgotten more about the topic than most have fully understood. He is a spring well of knowledge on the subject and has influenced its popularity immensely throughout the world over decades of dedication and loyalty to his ancestral indigenous warrior arts from the Philippines.
Go well guys, ciao.
Guro Dave Gould.Comment
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If you're willing to drive out to Richmond, Scott Elliott teaches there.Originally posted by TIM C. View PostComment
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From my understanding Guro Dan was the first one to bring in Floro Villabrille for his Kali back when Guro Dan had the Kali Acadamy. Guro Dan would also bring in Ted Lucaylucay Sr. who would teach everyone Panantukan. This was back before most people even knew what Kali was. He has opened alot of doors for alot of people and introduced many many arts to America.Comment
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Tim,Hello all, Newbie here. Looking for Filipino Martial Arts in Lexington Ky Area. Is there any classes ?
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I teach a FMA blend class as well as a Sayoc Kali class at 4 Seasons Martial Arts in Lexington, KY. 859-245-5082Comment
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