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    Greetings All,

    I'm often asked about sparring video clips.

    Here's one that's a bit of fun.

    I'm in the grey shirt. Brent, my opponent is at least 1/2 a foot taller than I am. So it's an example of how you can overcome height and reach advantage.

    Also....it looks like that the hands are getting "picked off". But a defensive move we frequently do is to stab the opponent's knife hand as they attack.

    The third clip is a demonstration I did in a seminar regarding non-telegraphic strikes.







    Ray Floro

  • #2
    I really enjoyed the footage from the seminar clip. Fast hand! I can DIG IT!

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    • #3
      Great clips.I know they were posted on clive.com.au.But are there any clips that havent been put up that we may see later?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rayfloro View Post
        Greetings All,

        I'm often asked about sparring video clips.

        Here's one that's a bit of fun.

        I'm in the grey shirt. Brent, my opponent is at least 1/2 a foot taller than I am. So it's an example of how you can overcome height and reach advantage.

        Also....it looks like that the hands are getting "picked off". But a defensive move we frequently do is to stab the opponent's knife hand as they attack.

        The third clip is a demonstration I did in a seminar regarding non-telegraphic strikes.







        Ray Floro
        www.florofighting.com
        It is obvious that you have been at this a very long time! It is difficult to slip or parry a thrust that is like a cobra strike! Thanks for sharing the clips.

        Johnathan Bolton

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JBolton View Post
          It is obvious that you have been at this a very long time! It is difficult to slip or parry a thrust that is like a cobra strike! Thanks for sharing the clips.

          Johnathan Bolton
          Guro Ray's fencing background prior to training in FMA still shows as strong as ever!

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          • #6
            Thanks for the kind comments....

            Great observations with the footwork. I would say that 99.9% of the footwork I do now is based on fencing.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rayfloro View Post
              Thanks for the kind comments....

              Great observations with the footwork. I would say that 99.9% of the footwork I do now is based on fencing.
              Guro Ray,

              Could you please elaborate about why you use the footwork from fencing rather than the "traditional" footwork from FMA in your system?

              Johnathan Bolton

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JBolton View Post
                Guro Ray,
                Could you please elaborate about why you use the footwork from fencing rather than the "traditional" footwork from FMA in your system?
                Johnathan Bolton
                I saw a different video of Guro Ray sparring with a padded dagger trainer and I can see how his fencing footwork works well for him. You'll notice it in this video link below.
                In fact, from watching the video for the first time a handful of months ago I had to keep dragging the video dial back to analyze every detail of the sleekness of his moves, his crazy speed and most especially his superb timing while handling the training dagger at reverse grip. Like Bruce Lee with a knife, hahah!


                Click here to see the video

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                • #9
                  Greetings All,

                  Once again thanks for the kind comments Daniel.........but please just call me Ray.

                  To answer your question Johathan.

                  I chose fencing footwork for a few reasons:

                  1) I did competitive olympic fencing way before I started any training with Filipino Martial Arts.

                  2) I find fencing footwork, fast, explosive and direct. Just watch a fencing competition.

                  3) The lateral movements of the footwork does not require much space. Great when in situations where you are in a aircraft aisle, bus/train aisle. Crowded night club.........or even environments where it is slippery, icy, muddy.

                  4) It is the least telegraphic type of movement I found when closing in the distance.

                  5) It works for me and my students.

                  Hope this helps

                  Ray

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rayfloro View Post
                    Greetings All,

                    Once again thanks for the kind comments Daniel.........but please just call me Ray.

                    To answer your question Johathan.

                    I chose fencing footwork for a few reasons:

                    1) I did competitive olympic fencing way before I started any training with Filipino Martial Arts.

                    2) I find fencing footwork, fast, explosive and direct. Just watch a fencing competition.

                    3) The lateral movements of the footwork does not require much space. Great when in situations where you are in a aircraft aisle, bus/train aisle. Crowded night club.........or even environments where it is slippery, icy, muddy.

                    4) It is the least telegraphic type of movement I found when closing in the distance.

                    5) It works for me and my students.

                    Hope this helps

                    Ray
                    That is very interesting. I noticed that you are a lefty and keep your left foot forward. I am currently learning the De Fondo style of Leo Giron which is a right foot forward stance (I am a a righty). It looks very similar to what you are doing!

                    One of Leo Giron's teachers told him that if you are a righty, you should keep your right foot forward (and leftys the reverse) since, in the heat of combat with bolos, you can easily cut your own leg if you're not careful.

                    Thanks very much for answering my question and participating in the forum.

                    Johnathan

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rayfloro View Post
                      Greetings All,
                      Once again thanks for the kind comments Daniel.........but please just call me Ray.
                      I just give credit where it is due, Ray. That video link I posted of you blitzing the hell out of your training partners was very inspiring that I tried to get my body to model itself after the style as closely as possible. I'm still working on it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by danjuandesiga View Post
                        I just give credit where it is due, Ray. That video link I posted of you blitzing the hell out of your training partners was very inspiring that I tried to get my body to model itself after the style as closely as possible. I'm still working on it.
                        Agreed! Ray, I particularly like the sequence in Daniel's video clip when your partner comes at you with an angle 4 and you first cut the back of his forearm, follow with a stab to the body (which almost knocks him down), folllowed by a stab to his throat. It seems to be effortless and your partner doesn't even come close to touching you.

                        Johnathan

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by danjuandesiga View Post
                          I just give credit where it is due, Ray. That video link I posted of you blitzing the hell out of your training partners was very inspiring that I tried to get my body to model itself after the style as closely as possible. I'm still working on it.
                          Agreed! Ray, I particularly like the sequence in Daniel's video clip when your partner comes at you with an angle 4 and you first cut the back of his forearm, follow with a stab to the body (which almost knocks him down), folllowed by a stab to his throat. It seems to be effortless and your partner doesn't even come close to touching you!

                          Johnathan

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                          • #14
                            Nice videos

                            I would agree that fencing footwork and explosiveness can be very beneficial. And the linear type footwork can be used well in tight lateral spaces like Ray says. In areas where we had more room to work, we found that linear footwork was easier to counter using 45 & 90 degree angles (esp. zoning to the weak side). Of course we were using longer weapons then you are using in the videos. Either training Sabers or Sabers & daggers (heavier and stiffer then epee or foil blades...nasty to get hit with on bare shin). What we had come to call Kali Fencing. As I'm sure RayFloro is keenly aware ,explosiveness, speed, footwork, and blade awareness (the ability to see and track the blade at speed) are enhanced greatly by this type of sparring. I would highly recommend adding fencing or modified fencing as a component of your regular training.



                            William

                            PS: I have written about our sessions on this forum a few years ago. If anyone is interested in reading about it you can search it here, or go to my blog link below and scroll to the "Kali Fencing: Accelerated Blade Awareness" posting.
                            Last edited by William; 01-05-2007, 11:46 AM. Reason: spelling

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                            • #15
                              Greetings All,

                              Those of you who saw the video clip below (kindly made by Cliveg)



                              I thought it would be interesting to provide some "scientific" (term used very liberally) data on the speed

                              One of my instructor's Stephen Chan (who also does Tactical Krav Maga), brought along an interesting "tool" for todays lesson.

                              It is an electronic gauge to measure reaction and speed.

                              Usually used in his IPSC shooting. The gauge lets out a loud beep (randomly timed), a clock then starts till a loud sound then turns it off.

                              I have a wooden dummy sufficient to make a sound for it to register the clock to stop.

                              Basically it measures your reaction time.

                              We started with a knife tucked in our belt, hand on the knife, then as fast as we could, when the beep sounded, we thrust the knife face height to a target about 3 feet away.

                              Best time I did (which was my third attempt) was 0.35 seconds.

                              When on the "guard" position. I manage to get it down to 0.31 seconds

                              Very interesting as Stephen told me that the time for an average human to react and process information is 0.25 seconds.

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