Who has seen a real Knife fight..no bull!

[lionleo]

The first time i saw a knife fight..in fact it was a bolo fight in Bankerohan public market in Davao city way back 1992..it was so exciting and scary..two Fish vendors got into an altercation and took his bolo and swung it to the other one who grabbed his bolo and ducked and did a horizontal slash to the other ones abdomen and you see hin guts spill out while he did a vertical strike to the other ones shoulder that severed it to the axillary region..man it was a trip. I was standing at least 8 meters from that..it furthered my beleife that the Korean Art i learned will not be useful in such situations.

Second..i was standing in Ilustre St Cor Duterte St.s when one of my friends came near me and said be ready man i will hit someone..he had a homemade dagger (this guy was the leader of a loosely organized street gang called Strollers in Davao)..and he ran toward the right crossing the street..and this guy also had a knife that they both swung without hitting each other..somehow Aden ( my friend) ran away and here comes this guy running toward me thinking that i was in cohoots with Aden which happen to be i was just there standing and waiting for a jeepney ride..so he ran towards me while i was looking at him and he lifted his arm sideways to stab me..so i weaved back and all my Korean training just froze since we were trained to catch a knife hand which was not applicable at the rate and speed of this guys attack..so before he can swing back i ran as fast as i can....and that my friends is no Bull.

[DickHardman]

crazy stories man. im happy to have never witnessed such things.

it sounds like you did the right thing when you ran away from the guy with a blade. regardless of what you train, even if you are armed with a blade yourself, trying to fight a guy with a knife is a bad idea. running away was probably the best thing you could have done.

[Thai Bri]

I have never seen two knives fight.

[Limbas]

Bull, your stories stink! You just made them up, you didn't froze nor run... you passed out! Don't thrash the korean MA for your own incompetence.

[danjuandesiga]

Bull, your stories stink! You just made them up, you didn't froze nor run... you passed out! Don't thrash the korean MA for your own incompetence.

I studied some Korean arts before and even made it to 1st Dan Black belt in Tang Soo Do and 3rd dan in Hapkido, and it still does not compare to FMA. Call it "trashing" another art, but what did I say that isn't true? Leave Leo alone, you flamer. I came from the same country this cat has been from and I do know what he's talking about as I have seen more than my own fair share of altercations with blades. They don't take long to last either.

[Garland]

Ok...I've posted this before...and it's really stupid, but I might as well post the story here since it's relevant (kinda).

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showpost.php?p=191978&postcount=6

[danjuandesiga]

This was posted by Tim Mousel over 1.5 years ago["MSDA student knife fight..." thread] here also and it relates here in this thread as well. It was a personal experience.

Click HERE to read the blog.

I really did try to run first chance I had, but unfortunately, I had to slice my way through. I would have been as happy as Leo for running to survive.

P.S. If you're offended by profanity, don't read it.

[medic06]

Just cut the crap and call this thread for what it is. It's not "Who has seen a real Knife fight..no bull!" but rather "Korean MA suck and I'm angry that I got suckered into training . . ."

I've done a little sparring (I suppose you could call it sparring) with FMA practioners and it was a little suprising for everyone envolved. I won as much as I lost, and the FMA guys found out that their stuff really didn't give them as much advantage as they thought it would. It turns out that speed and fast reflexes counted for more than their techniques they trained.

In the end, it still the artist, not the art. . . . .

[GonzoStyles]

ease up there medic, I dont think you read the title of this thread correctly.

You said you have done "a little sparring" with FMA practitioners and this is
what you are basing your conclusions from?

My suggestion is maybe to get a more than a little sparring in before you start carving things in stone.

[GonzoStyles]

and how about the classic "X-block" taught as knife defense in Korean arts versus the "Livehand" strikes from FMA?

[Go Jun Long]

I have spent over 18years in the Korean arts in the past and have been with the FMA for over 22years now along with my Chinese arts. The FMA, especially when it comes to weapons, are far superior IMO than the other 2. Even the empty hands are rivaled by the FMA. The Korean arts are good at what they do, and the realative effectivness of their fighting is hugely dependant on who is teaching and how the student is training. But, lets not start trashing other systems, because it is true that it comes more down to the practicioner, then the art itself with keeping in mind that every art has its inherent weaknesses!

[johnj]

I have not seen "knife to knife" engagements as those are rare unless of course you are in prison where shank encounters are common. However, I have witnessed a few gang stabbings many years ago (as in over 20 years). They all took place at asian gatherings because back then Filipino, Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese gangs hated each other.

To cut it short, at one party my friends and I were dj's, a fight broke out between KP(Korean Power) and the infamous Ghost Shadows. Needless to say, 3 KP were stabbed all in the same place, kidney. This all happened within 10 feet. I didn't even see the knife come out cause of the mayhem, I just saw the blood all ove the floor. Plus, we were busy pulling back equipment and creating distance.

In another instance between a Filipino and Vietnamese crew, the Filipinos stabbed a guy in the face with a filed down set of keys and threw him down the stairs. These guys asked my friends and I to back them up and luckily we didn't. As we left the party there were somewhere between 30-40 Vietnamese looking for more trouble. Thank goodness we were not mistakenly identified as accomplices, so to speak.

[bigboywasim]

FMA is about as real as it gets. You don't believe me check this out.

http://www.dogbrothers.com/

[DickHardman]

I have not seen "knife to knife" engagements as those are rare unless of course you are in prison where shank encounters are common. However, I have witnessed a few gang stabbings many years ago (as in over 20 years). They all took place at asian gatherings because back then Filipino, Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese gangs hated each other.

To cut it short, at one party my friends and I were dj's, a fight broke out between KP(Korean Power) and the infamous Ghost Shadows. Needless to say, 3 KP were stabbed all in the same place, kidney. This all happened within 10 feet. I didn't even see the knife come out cause of the mayhem, I just saw the blood all ove the floor. Plus, we were busy pulling back equipment and creating distance.

In another instance between a Filipino and Vietnamese crew, the Filipinos stabbed a guy in the face with a filed down set of keys and threw him down the stairs. These guys asked my friends and I to back them up and luckily we didn't. As we left the party there were somewhere between 30-40 Vietnamese looking for more trouble. Thank goodness we were not mistakenly identified as accomplices, so to speak.

do you suppose a majority of these gang members would leave the average guy alone as long as he wasnt looking for trouble?

[medic06]

ease up there medic, I dont think you read the title of this thread correctly.

You said you have done "a little sparring" with FMA practitioners and this is
what you are basing your conclusions from?

My suggestion is maybe to get a more than a little sparring in before you start carving things in stone.

I've trained in Pekiti Tirsia, and a bit of fencing, does that count for something? I'm just saying coming out of a real situation where knives are involve unscathed is still more of a crap shoot than anybody really wants to admit. I haven't concluded anything other than that knife work is serious business.

One thing FMAs do have that is head and shoulders above the rest is their training methodology. It would be interesting to see how other arts would fare after actually training their material in a fashion similiar to what FMAs.