Who has seen a real Knife fight..no bull!

[medic06]

I have not seen "knife to knife" engagements as those are rare unless of course you are in prison where shank encounters are common. However, I have witnessed a few gang stabbings many years ago (as in over 20 years). They all took place at asian gatherings because back then Filipino, Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese gangs hated each other.

To cut it short, at one party my friends and I were dj's, a fight broke out between KP(Korean Power) and the infamous Ghost Shadows. Needless to say, 3 KP were stabbed all in the same place, kidney. This all happened within 10 feet. I didn't even see the knife come out cause of the mayhem, I just saw the blood all ove the floor. Plus, we were busy pulling back equipment and creating distance.

In another instance between a Filipino and Vietnamese crew, the Filipinos stabbed a guy in the face with a filed down set of keys and threw him down the stairs. These guys asked my friends and I to back them up and luckily we didn't. As we left the party there were somewhere between 30-40 Vietnamese looking for more trouble. Thank goodness we were not mistakenly identified as accomplices, so to speak.

Where they stabbed in the back? That's not a knife fight, that's an assassination . . . .

[Uke]

I've trained in Pekiti Tirsia, and a bit of fencing, does that count for something? I'm just saying coming out of a real situation where knives are involve unscathed is still more of a crap shoot than anybody really wants to admit. I haven't concluded anything other than that knife work is serious business.

One thing FMAs do have that is head and shoulders above the rest is their training methodology. It would be interesting to see how other arts would fare after actually training their material in a fashion similiar to what FMAs.

I agree, medic06. FMA does not make you into a super fighter. Some schools of FMA aren't even that heavily geared towards fighting, and prefer to focus on culture and form. Then there are other styles that only focus on the combat quality of the arts.

I've seen some FMA's that were stylish and seemed more like a dance. And then I've seen some that are very intense and economize motion and are hardcore combatives. I hope that no one here is under the impression that all FMA are top notch and cutting edge(no pun intended).

Most people here haven't seen knife fights for a reason: They don't last long if either guy knows what he's doing. Fights are not like what people see in the movies. Edge weapon fights only last long if one person is running.

But all in all medic06 made a strong argument. Any time you put yourself in harm's way its a crap shoot, not just with weapons. But in all honesty there are schools that produce better fighters than others. If you tend to try and reproduce classical movements from your art in their entirety then you are an artists. If you tend to use the concepts from your art to create a direct method and don't cling to any set pattern but learn to flow, you've become a fighter. Its art vs guerrilla tactics.

If you've ever seen a man use guerrilla tactics while wielding a blade, I will bet the fight didn't last even 10 seconds. No man that I know who's ever trained in combatives pulls his blade unless he's going to use it. And once he does, unless you're as good, either it lights out or track meet time.

[lionleo]

Bull, your stories stink! You just made them up, you didn't froze nor run... you passed out! Don't thrash the korean MA for your own incompetence.

well limbas...i guess i was almost there..beleive me man...i really felt inadequate...but you are entitled with your opinion....i am am not here to lambast the Korean arts..they are good and i beleive that the practitioner also matters..but i did not say i know the art in it's entirety..it just so happened that the knife defenses that i was aware of did not have room in this situation..that's all..and i am merely asking for experiences..well anyway..i want to extend the invitation to anyone who wants to join the Houston Stick Fighting Association..and Danny...you Rock bro...

[johnj]

do you suppose a majority of these gang members would leave the average guy alone as long as he wasnt looking for trouble?

I think it depends on the gang. My friends from Taiwan, twin brothers who had experience in streetfights and martial arts had a run in with some members of the Ghost Shadows. Fortunately it was intervened by police before any serious injuries. And this started all because they walked into an apparent hangout in Chinatown. I was told that if any of these members look at you as you walk by to immediately look away. If you look back, it is accepting a challenge. This happened twice just walking around Chinatown. My same friends pointed it out and luckily we avoided trouble. On the same day, we happened to stop in a local amusement center and as we entered, we seemed to stir up something cause a few females who were with a group walked out and more males walked in. Needless to say, we left in a hurry. I guess they thought we were another Asian gang :lol:

Where they stabbed in the back? That's not a knife fight, that's an assassination . . . .

All 3 were stabbed in the kidney area. And in the same manner...stabbed and pulled up. I was only a few feet away as the 3 were laying on benches and the floor waiting for the EMT. As you can imagine, most of the party goers were detained for questioning. We heard from the grapvine that had KP not been there, they would have started with us. At the time, we were mostly a Filipino DJ crew.

[Uke]

well limbas...i guess i was almost there..beleive me man...i really felt inadequate...but you are entitled with your opinion....i am am not here to lambast the Korean arts..they are good and i beleive that the practitioner also matters..but i did not say i know the art in it's entirety..it just so happened that the knife defenses that i was aware of did not have room in this situation..that's all..and i am merely asking for experiences..well anyway..i want to extend the invitation to anyone who wants to join the Houston Stick Fighting Association..and Danny...you Rock bro...

I can believe it. The blade is a big part of the Filipino culture. If I were to believe that someone saw two skilled men going at it for real with blades, it would be there. I wouldn't believe it if you said it happened any other place though. Anything is possible though however improbable.

[DickHardman]

If I were to believe that someone saw two skilled men going at it for real with blades, it would be there. I wouldn't believe it if you said it happened any other place though. .

nobody cares what you believe.

[Uke]

nobody cares what you believe.

And I guess people are falling over themselves to read what you write? If you wrote something that was worth reading once in a while you'd be discussing it with people now instead of acting like a little bitch who's looking for attention.

[DickHardman]

And I guess people are falling over themselves to read what you write? If you wrote something that was worth reading once in a while you'd be discussing it with people now instead of acting like a little bitch who's looking for attention.

gettin a little too over defensive now.

[Uke]

gettin a little too over defensive now.

I'm not defensive at all. I'm just tired of morons on this site being disrespectful for no reason. Keep it civil and you'd never see me write anything like that.

I've seen you write good stuff before. You're not a complete loser like jubaji. So don't act like it, even on occasion.

[DickHardman]

I'm just tired of morons on this site being disrespectful for no reason.

lol, is this guy for real? are you just trolling or what? cant really take you seriously when you make statements that humorous. what irony.

[danjuandesiga]

[QUOTE=Uke
I'm just tired of morons on this site being disrespectful for no reason.[/QUOTE]

lol, is this guy for real? are you just trolling or what? cant really take you seriously when you make statements that humorous. what irony.

"arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics..... Even if you do win, you're still retarded"

[DickHardman]

"arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics..... Even if you do win, you're still retarded"

weren't you arguing with some guy earlier on this very same thread? it was a style vs style argument too lol.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

weren't you arguing with some guy earlier on this very same thread? it was a style vs style argument too lol.

Hahaha pwnt!

[bigred389]

I can believe it. The blade is a big part of the Filipino culture. If I were to believe that someone saw two skilled men going at it for real with blades, it would be there. I wouldn't believe it if you said it happened any other place though. Anything is possible though however improbable.

I've heard of terrorists, kidnappings, assasinations, gunfights, among other things in the less savory parts of the Phillippines. For some reason, a simple knifefight doesn't sound like a big deal.

[Uke]

lol, is this guy for real? are you just trolling or what? cant really take you seriously when you make statements that humorous. what irony.

LOL ... as if anyone has ever been worried about what you take seriously. You've barely ever written anything about the arts and have the nerve to ask if I'm trolling? I would wager that you not only have no skill in FMA but you couldn't even spell Filipino if you didn't see it here first.