Knife Tapping Drills

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KNIFE TAPPING
Uploaded by LaCostaKali

[Garland]

Anyone have experience with the Shocknife?

I've posted som inqueries on here about that one too...there's also a cheaper make version called the CST (or cut simulation trainer) that works on the same theory.

I haven't had the opportunity (yet) to get my hands on either, but I'm sure that the fear of the electric shock would illicit better realism in training and PRESUMABLY bring out better body mechanics...

I also like the idea of "No Lie Blades" (or sharpies)...because you can go back and analyze what happened after the fact and maybe after 4 or 5 trial runs take a look at which angles you need to work on and focus on familiarizing those lines.

In any case...there are some pretty good tools out there for training with the knife...and it's all really cool...

But I absolutely agree with Tanto...the stuff is fun, and who knows...it MAY, PERHAPS help give you an edge or bring the percentages up a little itty bitty bit in your favor in a real life encounter with a weapon...

But...if somebody is going to sink one in on you and stick you...you probably won't notice until it's been done. I'd imagine the best way to train this stuff is to do aliveness training (I know, fucking buzzwords all over the place in this post) with partners spontaneously (i.e. not knowing when they are going to hit you over the course of a day) and work no lie or shocknives in...essentially training so that you don't know if a knife or something else is going to come into play...

Ever hear of the game kids were doing a few years ago with squirt guns called "assassin"? Kind of like a flashmob game with a money pot where you take out other people on a list...? Maybe have the involved party yell something out (safeword) at the last minute so they realize it isn't an actual assault and therefore don't kill the "assailant"?
Seems like it may be an interesting way to train this stuff to develop realism...like dogbrothers with shocknives and sponenaity...could get you arrested though...what do you guys think???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin_(game)

[Tee Sok]

This is a very interesting thread.

Well there are some teachers like Mike Faraone who train
advanced instructors with real knives, the only reason he gives
is that the concentration level rises a lot and students really learn
to respect a live blade. I agree, but the price of a mistake could be
way too high for just a training session.

My teacher learned in Naples with sharp woodden knives that had the sharp
side heated before going at it, that way he got cut but not as seriously
as he would have with a real blade, and yes he was concentrated because
that hurt !

[Guest]

Shock knives are pretty good, but like Garland I really like the "No Lie" blade. Vu gave me one about 8 years ago, and I have used it a lot when I teach, to show students just how bad the cuts can be in a very short space of time. Its a very good teaching tool.

I used to spar with lit jos sticks, but got sick of the little burns up and down my arms, and realised after a while that it really wasn't that important to me!

I've posted about live blade training before. I honestly believe that any benefit you may gain from the fear and hightened concentration the student may feel, is negated by the fact that the training partner will naturally pull their techniques out of caution. This will reduce and in many cases remove the intent. Intent is the key, regardless of what is in your hand. I think live blade training misleads the student into thinking they are handling more pressure and a greater risk, when in fact I believe they are facing a false sense of reality. Just my opinion.

The only exception I would make to that is a very small amount of live blade training I have done with the military. They requested it, they understood the risk, and they were trained enough to handle the situation. I think live blade work with members of the public is just asking for a lawsuit.

[Tant01]

My mam...

... Intent is the key, regardless of what is in your hand. ...

....

Exactly...

[Tee Sok]

[QUOTE=Michael Wright;306726

I honestly believe that any benefit you may gain from the fear and hightened concentration the student may feel, is negated by the fact that the training partner will naturally pull their techniques out of caution. This will reduce and in many cases remove the intent. Intent is the key, regardless of what is in your hand.

That's a good point and I agree too, better to really go at it with a shock knife than to be too careful with a real one.