Kali Tudo (tm) in action

[Crafty Dog]

For those of you who have seen our first Kali Tudo (tm) DVD, here is an example of the technique taught therein called "The Zirconia"

YouTube - Shogun awsome KO (Iceman) 04-18-09

Freeze and observe frame at 00:55

[bumpus]

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Not much of a fight.

One good punch and its over.

If this is that great of a so called technique then use it everytime and you will win everytime in the first few seconds.

Just a lucky punch.


bumpus
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[Tant01]

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Not much of a fight.

One good punch and its over.

If this is that great of a so called technique then use it everytime and you will win everytime in the first few seconds.

Just a lucky punch.


bumpus
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More than a lucky punch... check the footwork.

[fire cobra]

He Just dropped his right shoulder a bit and came in for a long left hook,standard boxing technique really,Kali Tudo? mmm not sure how you could claim that with any seriousness.

Anyone remember Floyd Pattersons Gazelle punch? a much better way of doing it than that example.

[fire cobra]

Just watched that clip again more carefully,Shogun switches his feet so in effect is throwing a left hook/swing from a right lead,its something old style boxers always did,My Muay Thai teacher taught me the same thing along with several variations.

[fire cobra]

Here is a similar example done in a demo bout by Namsaknoi on Buakow Por Pramuk around 43-45 second mark.

YouTube - Buakaw vs. Namsaknoi

[Ghost]

as fire cobra said this is standard boxing, in thai boxing it is nice to follow wiht the right cross with a defensive quater turn on the now front right foot and then use the now rear left leg to round kick off of. works a treat specially near the ropes.

[fire cobra]

Thats it Ghost,great follow up the left kick,Poot Lor Lek style.
The same switch of the feet but with a right hook is a great old style counter to a right round kick.

[bumpus]

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Seen the same thing happen in regular street fighting.

The man left himself open and bang.

a technique ... known the world over.

Hay maker to the side of the head.


bumpus
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[bumpus]

Here is a similar example done in a demo bout by Namsaknoi on Buakow Por Pramuk around 43-45 second mark.

YouTube - Buakaw vs. Namsaknoi

Looked more like a cock chickens fighting, trying to sper each other.

No counter punches with fists to the upper body.

These guys would easly be lost and bet in real life situations.


bumpus
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[fire cobra]

Looked more like a cock chickens fighting, trying to sper each other.

No counter punches with fists to the upper body.

These guys would easly be lost and bet in real life situations.


bumpus
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Good one about the cock fighting bro,thats Muay Gai though not Muay Thai.

Its just a demo bout,both boxers are or have been top notch and are just playing to the crowd,they have no gloves on either,in fact if they did they still wouldnt body punch much prefering to kick knee and elbow.

I just used this as a example to show that method punching is used in both Boxing and Muay Thai(not Muay Gai).

[Ghost]

yeah lol i cant imagine sombat (baukaw) struggling too much in a street fight

[fire cobra]

yeah lol i cant imagine sombat (baukaw) struggling too much in a street fight

Me neither,One more fight for him wouldnt make much difference seen as he has had around 250!.

[Garland]

Mr. Denny,
I actually introduced some of the members of the MMA club and class (of which I am a student) at the University of Utah to some of those Kali Tudo clips you have posted up here and ended up writing a small paper on the incorporation of the Filipino martial arts into the combat sports arena. I think you may find it refreshing that not only was the class tonight interested in the idea of this martial syncronisty, but the conversation diverged into the work you've done with Mr. Suarez, the utility of diagonal footwork for MMA, but also into the training dichotomy that goes along with trying to both push and preserve your training partners (even including the allegory of preparing a tribe for outside attacks, a'la your unorganized militia speech) and Lorenzian ideas about intraspecies aggression with psychology and anthropology graduate students! (there was apparently a symposium a month or so ago about the evolution of human aggression on campus that seemed to resonate with your "rambling rumination" speech.) I just thought maybe you would think that it's cool that your ideas are making such a huge impact and are connecting dots for people or striking chords even outside of the martial context. In any case, thank you very much for not only being on the cutting edge of the martial arts arena, but for also bridging the gap between fighting and psychology/anthropology/evolutionary biology.

-Garland Hummel

[Crafty Dog]

Woof Garland:

Tail wags for the kind words.

Woof All:

I can see that I need to flesh out my original post quite a bit.

Here is something I posted on another forum; of course some of the specifics are directed at posts made there, so please read with that in mind.
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1) Yes, the left hand was more of a hook than a straight left/jab, but as far as I am concerned the distinction is a difference without meaning IN THIS CONTEXT. To score the hit he had to throw a hooking motion instead of a straight one and the hook is still "up the center" i.e. between the opponent's hands. The larger point is that the punch arrived because of the opposite hand-- foot action.

2) I can't say whether Rua has trained the motion, I only point to it as evidence that the first motion of something I showed in our "Kali Tudo" DVD called the Zirconia works. My life in martial arts has been dedicated to the congruence of Art and application and as part of that mission I seek to apply Kali empty handed. I put myself out there saying that it would work (as it did for me in my MMA sparring) and feel it fair to point out that it worked here at world class MMA level.

3) I have invented nothing. What you see here is quite similar to old school boxing's Fitzsimon's shift. That said, when I showed our Zirconia in 2005, I am not aware of ANYONE who was doing it AND I know how many people doubted it to me directly.

4) The Zirconia motion of our KT is a combination on some very aggressive triangular footwork (what we call completing the outside diamond triangle). Please note well that here that would not have been necessary because CL went down on the first hit, so what we are seeing here is only the first motion of something that has quite a bit more to it ;-)

5) For the historical record, the Zirconia arose for me out of a single stick combination that in DBMA we call "Variation 5"-- not because there are 4 variations that come before it, but because I vary the Ilustrisimo Crossstep footwork of Lameco single stick combination 5A by substituting on the first motion a forward diagonal step. The second motion of the stick is accompanied by a step that completes the outside diamond triangle and the third motion , , , well too hard to articulate in these final moments before I go to bed.

Small story: I was very tickled with myself to have thought of the forward diagonal step with the rear leg and over time have worked it along with the rest of the triangular footwork it initiates rather sedulously. A couple of months ago I found a youtube clip of Tatang Ilustrisimo doing the same thing at a pivotal moment in a serious sparring match!!! A thing of understanding and beauty. Brian's comments about the importance of understanding WHEN are quite on point.

In DBMA the Zirconia is an example of what we call "portal techniques" i.e. techniques were are only to be done at well-chosen moments to create transition of structure and idiom of movement-- as we like to say "Stepping through the portal to the magical dimension where martial arts and crafts actually work. In these moments he is the turd and you are the smell. Wherever he goes, there you are!" (c)

The Adventure continues!
Crafty Dog


PS: If I understand correctly those seeing the same thing in Muay Thai, I think this similar but different in important regards. Perhaps I am mistaken (I have only the basics of Inosanto MT to inform me, plus some fooling around over the years) but the switch step/switch kick does not cover the same distance-- nor does it set up the continuations that the outside diamond triangle footwork of our Zirconia combinations does. Not saying MT won't knock me the fcuk out, just the IMHO what is suggested here as the same thing, isn't. I could be wrong , , ,