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FORWARD TRIANGLE?OFFENSIVE FOOTWRK
I was taught this fottwork pattern and I have seen the dog bro video on its application ,but I would like some feed back from some of you who do "real" contact stickfighting .I have never done a 'real " contact stickfight ,but i think that this stepping in pattern would be pretty risky to do in a live fire situation?well I 'm not trolling ,just looking for some feedback and thoughts on this .In a similar vein what patterns 9footwork) do you find you use the most often ?
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triangle footwork
has myriad applications.. I use it a lot both with sticks and boxing sparring. hidden within triangle footwork are the boxing techniques of adding power to punches, as it angles your hips each time you step.. I haven't seen the dogbrother video yet, as I only ordered them last week.. so I'm not too sure what applications you mean.. could you be more specific and maybe I have some advice..
I don't find them risky for a couple of reasons. first of all, it's an extremely efficient method of dodging.. it takes you to the outside or inside of your opponent (depending) which is a standard movement in any fighting system.. they allow for a quick switch of the hips (you'll find them used in wrestling and muay thai for this) so they can really mask where your attack is coming from.. they also give a quick solution to dealing with a circling opponent when you only want to pivot at the center, not counter circle.. I find them useful, likewise, for getting behind my opponent in a "duckunder" type move from high school wrestling..
but like I said, I'm not too sure what application you are referring to, so I can't really respond specifically.. more info?
the use of the trianle is not to step around in a traingle like i have seen so many people do. i think some people use that kind of fancy step because they think they are keeping up with everybody else. i dont think anybody really use that.
but when you fight, you use a _part_ of the traingle, like the backwards traingle \/, you have the choice to move forward to your opponent right or left, almost never straght ahead unless you lower yourself or you go up. the regular triangle /\ is for the retreat. but you have different patterns for your foot work, like / on the retreat, then on the second beat you __ toward the opponent, then you \ and -- to get behind him, but you are strikeing the whole time you are moving. now you have made a /__\-- kind of pattern, but not all at one time.
i know, it is probably hard to understand what i am saying, but i really would have to show it to you to be clear. but the whole traingle, all three lines is not meant to be use all in one movement, but more how you move around the opponent. this is better than just moving back and forward in a straight line because you are never really in front of the opponent long.
but when you fight, you use a _part_ of the traingle, like the backwards traingle \/, you have the choice to move forward to your opponent right or left, almost never straght ahead unless you lower yourself or you go up. the regular triangle /\ is for the retreat. but you have different patterns for your foot work, like / on the retreat, then on the second beat you __ toward the opponent, then you \ and -- to get behind him, but you are strikeing the whole time you are moving. now you have made a /__\-- kind of pattern, but not all at one time.
i know, it is probably hard to understand what i am saying, but i really would have to show it to you to be clear. but the whole traingle, all three lines is not meant to be use all in one movement, but more how you move around the opponent. this is better than just moving back and forward in a straight line because you are never really in front of the opponent long.
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sankaku
any other comments/explanations? i've seen triangle footwork in tomiki aikido & shotokan karate, as well.
angular stepping is often discussed on espn2 by boxing's teddy atlas, too.
any other comments/explanations? i've seen triangle footwork in tomiki aikido & shotokan karate, as well.
angular stepping is often discussed on espn2 by boxing's teddy atlas, too.
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Quietanswer:
You just ordered the Dog Bros. videos? Man, you are in for a treat. I just watched both of them again yesterday and they are just outstanding.
Honestly, when I first got into Kali I was intimidated by all the guys with the fancy stick twirling and what not, and I thought: I'm never going to be able to do this.
Then I got the Dog Bros. vids and realized that I don't have to.
You're gonna love 'em...
You just ordered the Dog Bros. videos? Man, you are in for a treat. I just watched both of them again yesterday and they are just outstanding.
Honestly, when I first got into Kali I was intimidated by all the guys with the fancy stick twirling and what not, and I thought: I'm never going to be able to do this.
Then I got the Dog Bros. vids and realized that I don't have to.
You're gonna love 'em...
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footwork
okay;
on another thread, i learned that use of the feet is really important; any other (more detailed) comments?
chop wisby
okay;
on another thread, i learned that use of the feet is really important; any other (more detailed) comments?
chop wisby
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not sure what you're looking for, chop..
to start with though, footwork helps in several areas:
1: mobility/evasion- watch some good lightweight boxers, and see how many punches they throw well, but also make note of how many land. they throw more accurately and faster than most men in boxing (if they are any good at all..watch some mexicans in the lightweight division, they'll blow your mind) but still get hit the least. it's the subtle footplay going on that does it, mostly. you see their bodies sway, but that sway is started and supported with the legs and feet
2: power- both the heel twist and stepping are important players in developing power. a person can't fight well if he cant' move and still 1-hit hard 2-evade blows. you are already moving around, so the next step is to learn to add every foot work movement to your punch at the time. for example. you may throw a jab well in a static situation, but what if you have to take a step back near the time of execution? i can tell you that for that move, you have to wait til you've finished the step, and formed a solid base, then snap it out immediately. stepping forward, you do snap the punch just before you front foot makes contact with the ground. what about moving right? or moving left? how bout with a rear hook? these are things that have to be engrained into your fighting..which is part of footwork.
similar is the step off before a solid thai kick. lots of people take an angled step of a few inches just before throwing the kick. you can do the same with a hook or straight line punch, for the same reason. evasion mixed with a gain in power.
triangle footwork is special. somehow, you learn more and more about the triangle the more you look for uses for it. if ound that i can use it to keep up with a circling opponent, maintianing position in the center of the circle, but still keeping a stable position as well. I found that certain throw set ups are within it (the footwork). i found my boxing footwork in it. if ound my tae kwon do ready stance footwork within it, oddly enough. really, learn triangle footwork, practice it, and shadow box it (within all your disciplines) and you'll find out why it was held as almost a mystic symbol. there is something mystic about the linchpin piece, no matter the subject.
but, I'm also a guy still working on these skills. i'm not the greatest boxer, but a guy who's been working on it, rather.
there is more. what were you asking?
-d
[Edited by quietanswer on 11-20-2000 at 09:52 AM]
to start with though, footwork helps in several areas:
1: mobility/evasion- watch some good lightweight boxers, and see how many punches they throw well, but also make note of how many land. they throw more accurately and faster than most men in boxing (if they are any good at all..watch some mexicans in the lightweight division, they'll blow your mind) but still get hit the least. it's the subtle footplay going on that does it, mostly. you see their bodies sway, but that sway is started and supported with the legs and feet
2: power- both the heel twist and stepping are important players in developing power. a person can't fight well if he cant' move and still 1-hit hard 2-evade blows. you are already moving around, so the next step is to learn to add every foot work movement to your punch at the time. for example. you may throw a jab well in a static situation, but what if you have to take a step back near the time of execution? i can tell you that for that move, you have to wait til you've finished the step, and formed a solid base, then snap it out immediately. stepping forward, you do snap the punch just before you front foot makes contact with the ground. what about moving right? or moving left? how bout with a rear hook? these are things that have to be engrained into your fighting..which is part of footwork.
similar is the step off before a solid thai kick. lots of people take an angled step of a few inches just before throwing the kick. you can do the same with a hook or straight line punch, for the same reason. evasion mixed with a gain in power.
triangle footwork is special. somehow, you learn more and more about the triangle the more you look for uses for it. if ound that i can use it to keep up with a circling opponent, maintianing position in the center of the circle, but still keeping a stable position as well. I found that certain throw set ups are within it (the footwork). i found my boxing footwork in it. if ound my tae kwon do ready stance footwork within it, oddly enough. really, learn triangle footwork, practice it, and shadow box it (within all your disciplines) and you'll find out why it was held as almost a mystic symbol. there is something mystic about the linchpin piece, no matter the subject.
but, I'm also a guy still working on these skills. i'm not the greatest boxer, but a guy who's been working on it, rather.
there is more. what were you asking?
-d
[Edited by quietanswer on 11-20-2000 at 09:52 AM]
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