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FOREHAND SHOTS / strikes # 1
I find it awkward to deliver horizontal # 1 strikes from a postion where my hand is held in front of my body ,it feels odd and weak ( does this make any sense ???) Iit seems easier to raise my hand and come down with a diagonal caveman then to go for the horizontal. Thoughts ? advice ?
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Its a snake eating it's tail...we want to be fast...but it sacrifices power. We want to hit hard...but it sacrifices speed. How do we figure out how to mix the two so that we have that yin/yang ball in our hands? Something I like to do is to move my stick in front of me in a way that I can throw a strike at different positions that the stick is in from the motion. Our friend Kalani sometimes moves his stick in a motion of an angle 1 and a reverse upward angle (angle 10? to the system that I learned...probably diff. to others-anyway it's the upward strike that returs up the same path that the strike 1 comes down). Anyway, with his "snakey range"-for lack of my own terms term, this is what Crafty Dog terms it-Kalani's stick is always moving in this patter, so his strikes from those positions are hidden. Meaning you don't see his strikes because they are already a part of the pattern. Another thing you can do is if you know how to do a redondo from the closed position, try and turn the angle of your redondo from the closed position(which looks like you are going to strike with a #2-or #4 for all the Lameco guys)anyway, turn the angle of the redondo to a number 1 angle instead of straight down. Because the strike comes from the other side of your body while the stick is chambered from the other side, the opponent gets suprised. Bill McGrath teaches this strike and calls it a reverse angle 1, I believe-any PT guys can correct me if im wrong. I think Danny T trains with him, maybe he can help explain this as well. Also, I'm experimanting with holding my stick close to the body, and working on my shoulders starting the motion without moving my forearms or elbow and using my body to throw the force for me. We'll see how effective that was in a month by seeing if I can catch anyone with it, huh. BTW, check out the stickfighting digest they talk about some good information and traing on stickfighting. http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting
[Edited by Chad W. Getz on 10-22-2000 at 10:04 PM] -
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I found I don't have to pull my arm back to throw a powerful blow.. if that's what you mean by saying "it's easier to go for a caveman"..
I have to keep my hand just at hip height, and let my hips initiate the movement like a boxer throwing a punch.. when i do this, I end up with a poweful, fast whipping attack.. no matter where my stick tip starts or what angle I want.. it may not be a "limb removing" attack, but it definitely scores hard..
I found training witha two handed stick against a heavy bag really helped me to learn to do this with a single stick..Comment
For me I see it as
Day 1 -my strike is at a level 5, I need work.
Day 10-my strike is at a level 10, its good, but I need more work.
Day 20-my strike is at a level 18, better, but if I practice more, I can still hit harder.
Depending on how hard you push yourself and what type of person you are, your hits can never be hard enough. That me anyway, I am going to keep pushing myself and my limits and I will never be able to hit hard enough. But how hard isn't the question, how much can your opponent handle is.
Day 1 -my strike is at a level 5, I need work.
Day 10-my strike is at a level 10, its good, but I need more work.
Day 20-my strike is at a level 18, better, but if I practice more, I can still hit harder.
Depending on how hard you push yourself and what type of person you are, your hits can never be hard enough. That me anyway, I am going to keep pushing myself and my limits and I will never be able to hit hard enough. But how hard isn't the question, how much can your opponent handle is.
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yeah
for me it's kind of like "what else am I going to do with my time, watch tv?..may as well get better, eh?"..
i like precise speed. i'm also a little guy.. but i tend to find if i increase my speed, level of relaxation, and form, power takes care of itself..
then again, like i said, i haven't HIT anyone with a rattan stick yet, and i'm very curious if my hits would be like fishing rod flicks, and people would walk through them. just cause the heavy bag goes "whomp" doesn't mean i'm conan yet.. so i'm curious how i hit.
i see a visit to hawaii coming up, possibly in the next year.
i wonder what air fare-accomodations and such would run me.
for me it's kind of like "what else am I going to do with my time, watch tv?..may as well get better, eh?"..
i like precise speed. i'm also a little guy.. but i tend to find if i increase my speed, level of relaxation, and form, power takes care of itself..
then again, like i said, i haven't HIT anyone with a rattan stick yet, and i'm very curious if my hits would be like fishing rod flicks, and people would walk through them. just cause the heavy bag goes "whomp" doesn't mean i'm conan yet.. so i'm curious how i hit.
i see a visit to hawaii coming up, possibly in the next year.
i wonder what air fare-accomodations and such would run me.
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Re: yeah
Now that just sounds too cool. Too bad you can't come in February, we've got some friends and others coming down as well.
Originally posted by quietanswer
i see a visit to hawaii coming up, possibly in the next year.
i see a visit to hawaii coming up, possibly in the next year.
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that would be cool
but i started this job 8 weeks ago, and i don't get vacation time til after my first year...
maybe I'll get a thurs-sunday off..but it seems a trip to hawaii deserves a week, as I've never seen the ocean, even. all my vacations have been spent snowboarding, and for me that meant colorado..
but i started this job 8 weeks ago, and i don't get vacation time til after my first year...
maybe I'll get a thurs-sunday off..but it seems a trip to hawaii deserves a week, as I've never seen the ocean, even. all my vacations have been spent snowboarding, and for me that meant colorado..
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Never seen the ocean??? Fights in the sand then so you can enjoy it. That's all right though, I've never seen snow.
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Originally posted by knuckledragger
I find it awkward to deliver horizontal # 1 strikes from a postion where my hand is held in front of my body ,it feels odd and weak ( does this make any sense ???) Iit seems easier to raise my hand and come down with a diagonal caveman then to go for the horizontal. Thoughts ? advice ?
I find it awkward to deliver horizontal # 1 strikes from a postion where my hand is held in front of my body ,it feels odd and weak ( does this make any sense ???) Iit seems easier to raise my hand and come down with a diagonal caveman then to go for the horizontal. Thoughts ? advice ?
As to using a diagonal strike with a stick for power I feel there are more advantages to striking the different targets properly than just making diagonal or horizonal strikes. Most diagonal strikes are for edged weapons not for sticks. Especially rattan training sticks. They are simply too soft. Most of what is being taught today as stick fighting has been adapted from edged weaponary yet sticks don't have a edge therefore when used in the manner that a edged weapon would be used the result is not the same. Though the strikes hurt they will not be disabling. If you are going to train to fight with sticks learn what targets to hit and how to hit them for the greatest amount of effect. Don't do the movements or strikes simply because it is easier or because that is just how it is done. For the most part, vertical targets should be struck horizonally and horizonal targets should be struck vertically for the greatest amount of power transfer and damage. Most diagonal stick strikes to the body though they sting will just glance off and not do a great amount of damage.
Danny T
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hm...thanks danny, i'd never heard that before..
i'd be curious to hear comments to that..
chad: fighting near the ocean? that sounds pretty damned cool. sand for takedowns too..woohoo.
hm. seems like the sand might help a guy do any one of the leg reaps..especially if you reap under the foot with your foot, and get calf-on-calf ..
[Edited by quietanswer on 10-26-2000 at 09:56 AM]
i'd be curious to hear comments to that..
chad: fighting near the ocean? that sounds pretty damned cool. sand for takedowns too..woohoo.
hm. seems like the sand might help a guy do any one of the leg reaps..especially if you reap under the foot with your foot, and get calf-on-calf ..
[Edited by quietanswer on 10-26-2000 at 09:56 AM]
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Dwayne, remember though, "friends at the end of the day" does not void out trowing sand in the eyes... >( . Yeah, bring a camcorder, we'll drive around the island and look for "scenic" spots to fight at, and then drink some beer at some beach somewhere.
Danny T-some good points, there are alot of other things that support the power such as body angling and such. Probably the diagnol shots that I use are ussually when someone places a hand out there for me, but usually as a counter to their strike.
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i like precise speed. i'm also a little guy.. but i tend to find if i increase my speed, level of relaxation, and form, power takes care of itself..
then again, like i said, i haven't HIT anyone with a rattan stick yet, and i'm very curious if my hits would be like fishing rod flicks, and people would walk through them. just cause the heavy bag goes "whomp" doesn't mean i'm conan yet.. so i'm curious how i hit.
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Dwayne, yea, it's funny that the hits you recieve always seems to hurt more than the hits that you dish out. I hate hitting someone that doesn't show the effects of it right away.
Danny T-some good points, there are alot of other things that support the power such as body angling and such. Probably the diagnol shots that I use are ussually when someone places a hand out there for me, but usually as a counter to their strike.
BEGIN QUOTE:
i like precise speed. i'm also a little guy.. but i tend to find if i increase my speed, level of relaxation, and form, power takes care of itself..
then again, like i said, i haven't HIT anyone with a rattan stick yet, and i'm very curious if my hits would be like fishing rod flicks, and people would walk through them. just cause the heavy bag goes "whomp" doesn't mean i'm conan yet.. so i'm curious how i hit.
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Dwayne, yea, it's funny that the hits you recieve always seems to hurt more than the hits that you dish out. I hate hitting someone that doesn't show the effects of it right away.
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expect lots of giggling from me. agony makes me giggle like stupid..
got an acorn sized welt/knot on the forearm today, big knot/welt on the knee, and a nice stick mark across the right side of my body/rib cage.. woohoo..
got an acorn sized welt/knot on the forearm today, big knot/welt on the knee, and a nice stick mark across the right side of my body/rib cage.. woohoo..
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So dwayne, how goes the training and what are your own opinions to your own question now?
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well, I'm not too sure which original question you mean..
However, training goes well. We had some missed days this past month, but it didn't seem to harm us. We've gotten rid of a lot of drills that we've done religiously for the past few months, and replaced them with focus mitts and sparring. I started a thread in the JKD forum where I talk about what I'm doing lately, and ask everyone what they do for their workout..I'd be curious to read your response to that, chad..
Also, I'll prolly start my tai chi classes tonight..chen style. I think i'll get a lot out of that...if nothing else, I'll probably at least heal my shoulder with a little luck..then I can go hard again..
[Edited by quietanswer on 11-27-2000 at 12:44 PM]
However, training goes well. We had some missed days this past month, but it didn't seem to harm us. We've gotten rid of a lot of drills that we've done religiously for the past few months, and replaced them with focus mitts and sparring. I started a thread in the JKD forum where I talk about what I'm doing lately, and ask everyone what they do for their workout..I'd be curious to read your response to that, chad..
Also, I'll prolly start my tai chi classes tonight..chen style. I think i'll get a lot out of that...if nothing else, I'll probably at least heal my shoulder with a little luck..then I can go hard again..
[Edited by quietanswer on 11-27-2000 at 12:44 PM]
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