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  • #31
    Dont worry I was only mad for a cupple minutes. It dosent bother me now. I was just made because people were not fully under standing my post that all. And I was not singling you out at all. No hard fealings. What I was trying to say is Chi Kung helped me greatly in boxing, mabe you should see if it would help u guys out in stick fighting. Thats all I meant.

    >>But if you can't do it in fighting...is it good for >>fighting? Read this carefully...the question is "if you >>can't do it in fighting...is it good for fighting?", and >>I did not say "if you can't do it in fighting...is it any >>good? There is no doubt that I will someday trip and fall >>and slap my head wishing I knew how to fall without >>getting my body or ego hurt, and that will be a lesson >>that I choose to learn the hard way.(This is an attempt >>at comedy, just to show that I am not flaming red right >>now) .

    Actully my opinion on any kind of art, boxing,kung fu and so on, is that yes it is good for fighting but thats not why I started it. I think we both can agree with this.

    so after stduying
    >>But if you can't do it in fighting...is it good for
    >>fighting?
    for a while (so I dont make a stupid comment) I understand fully what you mean. But I think this is what I was trying to get at. The perfect example is the Movie "Karate Kid", yea this may sound amusing but ill soon get to my point. In the movie the kid wanted to learn Karate so he goes to Mr. Miagi(or how ever u spell his name)to learn how to fight. But instead of actully teaching him he had him wash his cars, paint a fence, sand his deck and a bunch of other things he thuat were pointless. Now some people might say whats washing a car have to do with fighting? My answear is only when you can apply things in life with fighting, will you make this connection. Remember when the kid got upset at mr Miagi, and he threw down everything and said you havent taught me anything. Well he would soon find that when Miagi was practicing trying to hit him, he applied sanding the deck, washing the car, and painting the fence to defend him self. I think Jacki Chan built on somthing like this idea, because he will use just about anything in a room in fighting. But mabe im wrong about Jacki Chan.
    Sorry for the misunder standing

    Any ways I feal bad that this has goten out of hand, When I first made that comment I expected it to just be a comment and not have it turned into a big disscusion. We should probubly get back to the topic of Stick Fighting in a bit. Sorry for the confusion.

    [Edited by ChiKungMan on 11-03-2000 at 10:07 AM]

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    #32
    it isn't a problem chi kung.

    and to answer your question, I'm going to be starting Chen Form Tai Chi with a very decorated, known instructor soon. he's a combative tai chi man, and he's very good. I know to a lot of us here that sounds like a contradiction (combat, and tai chi )..but he's impressed a JKD/FMA minded individual with something, right? Cause I'm going to him.

    It's also cause I have joint injuries. and I need to fix them.

    -d

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    • #33
      Originally posted by quietanswer
      it isn't a problem chi kung.

      and to answer your question, I'm going to be starting Chen Form Tai Chi with a very decorated, known instructor soon. he's a combative tai chi man, and he's very good. I know to a lot of us here that sounds like a contradiction (combat, and tai chi )..but he's impressed a JKD/FMA minded individual with something, right? Cause I'm going to him.

      It's also cause I have joint injuries. and I need to fix them.

      -d
      I don't think there's anything contradictory about the term "combative Tai Chi" ... I have seen all sorts of combative applications in Tai Chi forms. The ones that I see are usually Silat applications ... but they're there.

      Also, anyone who's ever seen Willem de Thouars do his Tai Chi form could have no doubt of the combativeness of it.

      Regards, Mike

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      • #34
        I was thinking about checking out a Tai Chi class as well. Being that I'm single and all that. Thanks ChiKungMan, and sorry for the misunderstandings, if there were any. Dwayne, let me know how you like it. The Tai Chi, I mean. I think an important thing about finding out if something works also depends on your attitude. If one feels that it won't work, than he is correct, he probably won't be able to make it work. And if someone believes it will work, he will probably be able to see how it can work, even if he is learning "Buffalo Eyebrow Style" or whatever. How many people here remember seeing Paul Vunak saying that on one of his tapes.

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          • #35
          BUFFALO EYEBROW STYLE!

          screw JKD/FMA! I'm switching styles, man. Buffalo eyebrows style is the REAL thing..

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          • #36
            fighting/defensive Cane

            Greetings all
            Just jumping in on the Canes. I f you havn't studied Martial arts for years, getting older or out of shape. The Cane is a greaty defensive tool. As you guys know, there are lots of Martial arts that have stick fighting elements.
            MostJapanese Shotokan based styles teach Bo staff, you also have Korean styles like HAPKIDOthat incorporate Canes vin their training. Also Phillipino stick fighting, Irish wiskey stick dancing etc. You don't need to study for years to develope real skills. I have been experimenting with taking elements from these different styles and putting them together in a simple manner. If you liked the Canemaster site, check outwww.cdavisgroup.com. Great prices on combat Canes and a beginner Cane DVD
            Good luck
            Ancient Dragon

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            • #37
              Cane fighting Teniques

              Greetings all
              I replied last week to this note but it seems to have become lost in the shuffle. In my humble opinion, there are no magic Cane movements for you guys to learn. If you have studied any Martial art, you have some Cane teniques already. If you have studied Bo staft, you already have some nifty blocks, strikes, pokes and twirls. Just adapt them to the shorter hooked cane. If you have practiced Kama strikes and hooks, you have some nifty hooks and snare moves. If you have studied any Phillipino stick fighting, you already have some usefull Cane handling skills. You can also twirl a hooked Cane like Nun chucks and get awesome high speed striking power. If you haven't studied Martial arts, for years, getting out of shape and can't break cement blocks with parts of your body, check out my web page www.cdavisgroup.com. I sell Rattan and Golden Wood combat Canes at a good price. I also created a DVD that puts together movements from Karate, Irish Wiskey stick Dancing, Escrima strikes etc in a easy to learn package. I show 12 basic movements that can be used in multiple ways, some basic kicks and twirls plus distancing and positioning drills.
              FEAR NOT, THY STICK AND CANE COMFORT YOU
              Ancient Dragon

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              • #38
                Originally posted by Ancient Dragon
                If you havn't studied Martial arts for years, getting older or out of shape. The Cane is a greaty defensive tool. As you guys know, there are lots of Martial arts that have stick fighting elements.
                MostJapanese Shotokan based styles teach Bo staff, you also have Korean styles like HAPKIDOthat incorporate Canes vin their training. Also Phillipino stick fighting, Irish wiskey stick dancing etc. You don't need to study for years to develope real skills. I have been experimenting with taking elements from these different styles and putting them together in a simple manner. If you liked the Canemaster site, check outwww.cdavisgroup.com. Great prices on combat Canes and a beginner Cane DVD
                Good luck
                Ancient Dragon
                If you haven't studied martial arts for years, and you are out of shape, and generally are a crappy fighter - don't worry, you have a new option - you can be a crappy fighter with a cane - too!

                I can show you revolutionary ways to get your out of shape, can't-fight can't-run can't-do-a-single-pull-up ass beat real good.

                I'll even sell you a piece of wood with a curvy end to practice your getting-beat-up moves with..

                just 500 tokyo dollar!

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                • #39
                  Using the Cane as a tool

                  It is fairly simplistic to say a “crappy” fighter with a Cane is still a “crappy” fighter. Since the beginning of mankind, we have looked at tools to extend and enhance our physical capabilities. A carpenter that can not drive a nail through a plank with his fist is not a “crappy” carpenter. He just needs a hammer. The hammer is a tool to better utilize the skills he already possesses. People through the ages have looked to tools or weapons to enhance their capabilities. The various Philippine fighters cut Rattan sticks out of the forests and developed skills with them to enhance their fighting capabilities. This was of course combined with learning how to weld them with fierce determination and fighting spirit. Did cutting and holding the stick make them better fighters? Obviously not. Same with any weapon or tool, be it Stick, Cane or Gun. Learning to use them effectively can enhance and extend your fighting skills. Obviously, improving your physical and mental capabilities is another aspect of self defense. That is all any reasonable, thinking person can expect.
                  Ancient dragon

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                  • #40
                    Originally posted by Ancient Dragon
                    It is fairly simplistic to say a “crappy” fighter with a Cane is still a “crappy” fighter.
                    No. It is true. A guy who can't fight with his hands is a guy who also can't fight with a stick. The skills are the same.. Timing/Distance/Mechanics..

                    Originally posted by Ancient Dragon
                    Since the beginning of mankind, we have looked at tools to extend and enhance our physical capabilities.
                    Since the BEGINNING? Are you sure? Is that an anthropological fact, or are you just throwing rubbish around?

                    Originally posted by Ancient Dragon
                    A carpenter that can not drive a nail through a plank with his fist is not a “crappy” carpenter. He just needs a hammer.
                    Well. That depends. Did this guy ACTUALLY first try to use his fist? I mean, did this dude truly look at the nail, the plank, hold the nail up, and PUNCH it? Cause if that's case, he just MIGHT be a crappy carpenter after all.

                    And he might need more than a hammer. He might need a lobotomy. The dude is PUNCHING NAILS for chris'sakes!

                    Originally posted by Ancient Dragon
                    The hammer is a tool to better utilize the skills he already possesses.
                    Granted. And if he doesn't possess any (i.e. is a crappy fighter) there are really no skills for it to help him better utilize - which was my point.

                    Originally posted by Ancient Dragon
                    People through the ages have looked to tools or weapons to enhance their capabilities. The various Philippine fighters cut Rattan sticks out of the forests and developed skills with them to enhance their fighting capabilities. This was of course combined with learning how to weld them with fierce determination and fighting spirit. Did cutting and holding the stick make them better fighters? Obviously not. Same with any weapon or tool, be it Stick, Cane or Gun. Learning to use them effectively can enhance and extend your fighting skills. Obviously, improving your physical and mental capabilities is another aspect of self defense. That is all any reasonable, thinking person can expect.
                    Ancient dragon
                    That's all very nice. But a man who doesn't know what he's doing that approaches a trained, determined opponent with his CANE is just going to piss that guy off even more and really pay for it in the end. I know most people want to think that with a 1 inch thick piece of wood in their hands they somehow become superman and can fight multiple attackers off. It simply isn't so, friends.

                    NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT the kind of UTTER SHIT they show on "cane fighting" tapes has NOTHING to do with real self defense or realistic combat. You will NEVER use any of that worthless shit against a trained, strong, determined attacker. You might on RARE OCCASIONS find a use for some of that hinky crap.

                    But the truth is, if you are protecting yourself with a cane, just USE IT LIKE A DAMNED STICK.. Those are the techniques that REALLY get used in a fighting situation.

                    Does a cane improve a trained fighter, or even an ATHLETIC man's chance of survival. YES! It does. But that's not what you said. You said someone who is physically unfit, or is a crappy fighter.

                    Telling people that if they are poor fighters, or out of shape, a cane will turn the tables for them is simply bad advice that will get people badly hurt.

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                    • #41
                      Did not say "physically unfit" or "Crappy fighter"

                      Greetings all
                      Before you can absorb and comment on ideas, you should first open your mind.
                      You must empty your mind of bias and preconceived notions. You must listen, think and above all, do not misquote. I give you an ancient tale of a Tea Master. Some might call him a “Crappy” fighter"
                      Taken From www.akidocircle.optix.net
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                      The Tea Master and the Ronin
                      A master of chado (the Way of the tea ceremony), Tajima Kozo, was challenged to a duel by an unscrupulous ronin who was confident of winning with ease. As he could not refuse the challenge without loss of honor, the master prepared to die.
                      He therefore went to call on a neighboring master of kenjutsu and asked him to teach him how to die properly. "Your intention is most laudable," said the expert, "and I should be very happy to help you, but first of all kindly serve me a cup of tea please." Tajima was delighted to have the chance to practice his skill, probably for the last time, and so he was totally absorbed in the ceremony of preparing the tea, forgetting what was in store for him. The expert was deeply impressed by his degree of serenity at such a solemn time. "There is no need for me to teach you how to die," he told him. "Your concentration of mind is so great that you can let yourself encounter any sword expert. When you are facing the Ronin, first imagine that you are about to serve tea to a guest. Greet him courteously. Take off your coat, fold it carefully and place your fan on top of it, exactly as you have just done. Then draw your katana and raise it above your head, ready to strike when the opponent attacks, and concentrate on this action alone."
                      Tajima thanked him and went to the place appointed for the fight. He followed the expert's advice and totally absorbed himself with the thought that he was about to serve tea to a friend. When he raised his sword above his head, the Ronin sensed that before him was an entirely different character. He could see no way around him. Tajima seemed to him as solid as a rock, completely without fear or weakness.
                      So the Ronin, demoralized by this behavior, threw down his katana and, prostrating himself before Tajima, humbly asked forgiveness for his unspeakable conduct.
                      FEAR NOT, THY CANE AND STICK COMFORT YOU
                      Ancient Dragon

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