I need some Kali exercises

[kh_s]

I don`t belong in a school since money is an issue right now. So if there are such thing as any Kali Stick swinging exercises or workouts that would help to make me swing my sticks with more control, and "following through ?"

I only have a pair of 26 Inch stick, i don`t know what type but it`s pretty light and the warning note stated that it was only used for practice, sparring and such.

I`ve tried one if this exercise exists, I hold one stick in my hand and swing it, making a circular movement by my side. I did that for a while, and I gave the stick a swing, and wow! I was able to swing much better than normal So any help would be appreciated!

[sikal]

I assume you're going to find an instructor ASAP ... so I'll skip that standard advice.

I would recommend getting the first tape in the Dog Brothers series. It has a lot of good info on developing stick power.

A basic is to keep your wrist structure solid (not tensed ... structurally sound) on power shots that carry through (labtik). In a witik (a strike that goes out and comes back on the same line ... like a jab), a whipping of the wrist at the end is useful. But when you're looking at power labtiks, if you let your wrist move forward before you contact, you'll give up a little bit of power.

Let your body mechanics drive your power. Work on accuracy and structure. Work slow to develop accuracy and structure. When your accuracy and structure are solid, then when you start working on speed and power, you won't lose unnecessary speed and power because of sloppy form.

The body mechanics are the same as throwing punches. Another good video which illustrates this is Ted Lucaylucay's video called, I believe, "The Art of Filipino Fencing."

Mike

[JIMI]

I think the circular motion you speak of is called a redondo. You should be practicing at least the first 14 angles, starting with the hoo-bud exercise

[sikal]

Originally posted by JIMI
I think the circular motion you speak of is called a redondo. You should be practicing at least the first 14 angles, starting with the hoo-bud exercise

"first 14 angles" ... from which system? Different systems have different angles and numbers of angles. Most that I've seen have 12 angles, though a couple have 10 and a couple have more (I think the most I've seen was in the low 20s).

Can you elaborate as to which angling system you're referring to?

If it helps, the 12 angles that I use are:

1) forehand to the temple
2) backhand to the temple
3) forehand to the waist
4) backhand to the waist
5) abdominal thrust
6) backhand diagonal up to ribs
7) forehand diagonal up to ribs
8) backhand to knee
9) forehand to knee
10) backhand thrust to upper chest
11) forehand thrust to upper chest
12) vertical overhead strike

But any set of angles will help your body get familiar with swinging and targeting.

Mike

[kh_s]

Sry but

I can`t do those angling stuff. I wont be able to do them unless I have a real Instructor who is there to advice me.

[Juice]

I've been to two Kali lessons and i've got this far (learning this strikes and "blocks" to them, or more like how to evade +cut your opponent if he's using any of those 1by1 or in a line).

1) forehand to the temple
2) backhand to the waist
3) forehand to the waist
4) backhand to the temple
5) abdominal thrust
6) backhand thrust to upper chest (left ab to right shoulder)
7) forehand thrust to upper chest (right ab to left shoulder)
8) vertical overhead strike (From left side of your head against his head)

:-)

hope ya know what i am talking about

It's lovely once you get the flow :-D

peace!

[JIMI]

K i can see that was a little uninformative on my part and i apologize, the basic angles i was taught go like this
1 Forehand to the temple
2 Backhand to the temple
3 Forehand to the waist
4 Backhand to the waist
5 Abdominal thrust
6 Backhand diagonal to the ribs
7 Forehand diagonal to the ribs
8 Stab to the temple right side
9 Downward slash to the neck right side
10 Stab to the temple left side
11 downward slash to the neck
12 Vertical overhead redondo strike to the head from inside
13 vertical overhead strike starting from inside ending on outside
14 final vertical overhead strike starting from outside ,ending on outside.
I have no idea how clear that may be but its much harder to explain in words on paper then to show it.

[sikal]

Perfectly clear to me What system is that from?

Mike

Originally posted by JIMI
K i can see that was a little uninformative on my part and i apologize, the basic angles i was taught go like this
1 Forehand to the temple
2 Backhand to the temple
3 Forehand to the waist
4 Backhand to the waist
5 Abdominal thrust
6 Backhand diagonal to the ribs
7 Forehand diagonal to the ribs
8 Stab to the temple right side
9 Downward slash to the neck right side
10 Stab to the temple left side
11 downward slash to the neck
12 Vertical overhead redondo strike to the head from inside
13 vertical overhead strike starting from inside ending on outside
14 final vertical overhead strike starting from outside ,ending on outside.
I have no idea how clear that may be but its much harder to explain in words on paper then to show it.

[JIMI]

I am not sure to be honest. I am training under a student of a certified instructor under Guro Dan Inosanto. I am taking private lessons and getting just basics and specific stuff. I spoke with my instructor about it and he said technically the last 3 strikes are the same so its really only 12 steps. My bad

[sikal]

Originally posted by JIMI
I am not sure to be honest. I am training under a student of a certified instructor under Guro Dan Inosanto. I am taking private lessons and getting just basics and specific stuff. I spoke with my instructor about it and he said technically the last 3 strikes are the same so its really only 12 steps. My bad

Cool. I think (could be mistaken) that's one of the angling systems from Lacoste.

Mike

[Juice]

My teacher is also a certified teacher from Dan Insanto.. the only one in sweden :-D Dan Johansson :-D

Dan people roxxx :-D

peace kids!

/juice

[sikal]

Yup. Guro Dan's a pretty amazing guy. I saw him a few days ago, in fact, in Richmond, Kentucky.

Mike

[swan104]

I may be completely wrong here, but it seems like the angles of attack differ depending on what system you're studying. However, it would seem like angles 1 to 5 are pretty much the same regardless of system. I won't list them here.

Where I train, we learn angles 1 to 5 first, and then move onto the other angles.

I've got a phase test coming up at the end of the month, which will cover parts of JKD, Kali and Silat. I'm brushing up on my kunsi's (locks) for angles 1 to 5. Other things include some sinawali, cob-cob drills and abscedario (or however you spell it).

Are there many people that train in Silat on this forum?

Steve

[sikal]

Originally posted by swan104
I may be completely wrong here, but it seems like the angles of attack differ depending on what system you're studying. However, it would seem like angles 1 to 5 are pretty much the same regardless of system. I won't list them here.

Yup. The angles differ from system to system. Even the number of angles sometimes differ (though 12 is, in my experience, the most common).

No, the 1st 5 change too. Depends on the system. Here's a couple of different ones that I've seen:

Doce Pares Eskrima/Eskrido from GM Cacoy Canete
1: vertical strike to crown of head
2: backhand to temple
3: forehand to temple
4: backhand upward shot to ribs
5: forehand upward shot to ribs

Balintawak (GM Bobby Taboada's lineage)
1: forehand to temple
2: backhand to temple
3: backhand to waist
4: forehand to waist
5: curving thrust to abdomen

Are there many people that train in Silat on this forum?

I don't know how many, but I'm one and I know there are at least a few others.

Mike

[constantzero]

Another system uses this:
Forehand to left of temple - diagonal
backhand to opponents right waist - horizontal strike
forhand to opponents left waist - horizontal strike
backhand to neck or shoulder blade - horizontal strike
thrust to abdomen
backhand to right of temple - diagonal
forehand thrust chest
backhand thrust chest
backhand to knee
forehand to knee
backhand stab to eye
forehand stab to eye
vertical strike to forehead
and end with a upward strike to the nuts!

Im a student in the philippines, my teacher always reminds me of form first. When comfortable with the form of the strikes, increase speed and power. This is gained by using the basics of boxing. Use the power from your feet to your legs to your waist and then to your arms. Take note of the sound of your strike when speed and power is applied and try to achieve that sound with every strike you do.