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Ehh, I`m not really familiar with this, it`s some type of Filipino Boxing, but is it any good ?
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It does look quite tasty!
I had a conversation with my instructor last weekend on it, and integrates well into Western boxing.
It seems to involve limb destructions that originate from the use of the knive. Has anyone actually used it to great effect?
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I have been exposed to it in my training. The limb destructions are pretty cool. But the way I was taught it was hard to distinguish where one system started and the other began. Since when I was taught it was 5 systems rolled together. From the little bit I have done it does integrate very well with boxing. But the destructions do take a little bit of getting used too.Comment
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Guro Harley Elmore has a video he just releases regarding Panantukan. I happened to just come across it while looking at his website http://www.warriorswaytx.com/wway.htmComment
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Hmm... A system that focuses on limb destruction and mixes well with Western Boxing. That's awesome! The guy that made the video knows Dan Inosanto and Chris Sayoc! I have got to get that DVD, thanks for the info!Comment
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He not only knows Guro Dan and Tuhon Chris, he's a student under both of them. He's a full instructor (in several things) under Guro Dan. He's also a full instructor under Terry Gibson. I'm not sure of his level in Sayoc Kali, but he's also an instructor in it under Tuhon Chris.Originally posted by Lost Ronin
Hmm... A system that focuses on limb destruction and mixes well with Western Boxing. That's awesome! The guy that made the video knows Dan Inosanto and Chris Sayoc! I have got to get that DVD, thanks for the info!
The video is very well done with a lot of good information. And Guro Harley is a great guy.
It should be pointed out, though, that whether panantukan is a stand-alone system or not has been a point of contention in various places. And, even the word "panantukan" is argued by some. But everyone in the FMA agrees that the boxing (whether called panantukan, suntukan, kamot-kamot, pangamot, etc.) is part of the FMA and is very good.
It is, in most systems, derived directly from knife work.
It not only incorporates limb destructions, but also "dumog" (grappling) aspects to keep the opponent off balance and set him up for strikes.
MikeComment
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Guro Harley, I believe has the rank of Kayan Dalawa Guro in Sayoc Kali.Comment
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Thank youOriginally posted by Hakoko
Guro Harley, I believe has the rank of Kayan Dalawa Guro in Sayoc Kali.
I could have went and looked it up, I suppose, but I was too lazy.
MikeComment
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Just want to comment on Panuntukan..I studied Kali back in the philippines particularly in the sothern part of Mindanao..we studied without any promotions, just studied for the love of it..as i understand panuntukan as i have known here is an offshoot of Kali, but in reality as far as i am concerned the Filipino mindset is that if you loose your weapons you need to use your hands..literally panuntukan is translated into punching in english. It's a tagalog term, as well as pannjakman, in tagalog it's kicking. I was surprised here in the US that you guys have names for a lot of stuff, ginunting..kinumutai..etc.....
one more thing..western boxing is highly influenced by Kalistas who wree in Hawaii during the early turn of the 20th century..you can see inhistory that western boxing is in no way the western boxing that we know now..the boxing moves we have today is based on punyal knife fighting strikes..
just my two cents..
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hi doblada
you stated
"..I studied Kali back in the philippines particularly in the sothern part of Mindanao..we studied without any promotions, just studied for the love of it.
please tell me where you studied this "KALI" im from Zamboanga city and not once have i herd the term kali used, Even in the TAUSUG language the term is not used......
we studied without any promotions, just studied for the love of it.
your dam right there, thats how real eskrima (arnis or KALI) is this promotional crap is a marketing ploy..
EVEN lapunti is using this system now.
i wonder in the future how many systems will add promotions in the form of rankings to their structure..
THIS POST IS BY NO MEANS MEANT TO BE POLITICAL.
THANK YOU
THIS IS MY FIRST POST
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we studied without any promotions, just studied for the love of it.
your dam right there, thats how real eskrima (arnis or KALI) is this promotional crap is a marketing ploy..
EVEN lapunti is using this system now.
i wonder in the future how many systems will add promotions in the form of rankings to their structure..
Moromoro, you might be interested in reading "the current state of FMA" thread farther down the page.
WilliamComment
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I know this is an old thread..but just want to react to Moromoro..you sonded like your from Zamboanga..i studied in Lanao..with Cebuano Escrimadors.I did not even meet or heard of a muslim or Moro escrimador..not even one in my entire 4 years of staying and training there.
I spent alot of time in General Santos/Cotabato and Mati Davao Oriental...i have not heard of a Muslim escrimador..not one. I do not know the exact reason ..but i know that there are none..so enough of this supposedlly moro connection with the FMA's...there is none..the early filipinos were filipinos not just moros...ISLAM and its theories were just brought in by people after the Islands were inhabited..so for the last time..there is no MUSLIM FMA connection!Comment
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So you're saying all the people from the Visayas fought Moros with blades but only one side had a "martial art"?Originally posted by serveinsilence View Post
Also, could you explain all the hundreds of first hand accounts of Moros using blades in combat and all the hundreds of pictures (which must be doctored) of Moros WITH blades if they didn't know how to use their weapons?
Also interesting is that if Moros had no art to speak of, then they would also not have any metallurgy that would have unique designs for their weapon's intent, application and usage.
So these Moros forged and designed a kris but didn't know how to use one. The same for all the blades on those "Weapons of Moroland" plaques.
Interesting.
--Rafael--Comment
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Well Mr Kayanan,
I do not want to barge into your expertise..but i grew up in the PI..and all i am pointing out here..is in all my training in the PI..i have never come across a current muslim (no matter what tribe-tausug/maguindanao/maranau/subanon /and lesser tribes) who is an FMA teacher/instructor or whatever...I am not saying that they did not have a martial art...but direct connotation that Fil-Muslims have an art NOW! is not accurate in my experience...coz if there was one ..they should have somewhat even just introduced themselves to us or to any other training group.
Secondly...those Moros that fought the Visaya in the olden days..were Filipinos first..then MOROS second.
Being a MORO is not being an FMA practitioner..i hope this is clear.Comment
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Just want to barge in with the weapons on moroland thing..this is not even an accurate discription..it's like saying that the pinuti/or Kris made by tribes from the Davao area or Agusan area who happen to be designed like those from the supposedlly moroland were made by Moros..majority if not all of the weapons on that plaque have a counterpart in non moro tribes like the dabawenyos of Samal-the T-bolis of South Cotabato The B'laan's of Agusan--they all have metallurgy and design blades for specific usage who actually/ similarly looks like those in the moroland plaque...but they are not MUSLIMS!
I knew some Mansaka people from Davao Oriental and del Norte--they have their own kris like weapon...pinuti like weapon---barong and spears..they are not muslims and they fight with common sense not with a set pattern or FMA credo for a fact...
Can I ask you a question Mr Kayanan? Have you actually lived in these parts of the PI? Can you even understand a single dialect aside from tagalog?
Just curious.Comment
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